Article 13 (The Meme Ban)

antijoke said:
I know it will be our law even if we leave.

It’s the fact that they just traded agreement on gas for votes, that’s BS
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I don’t see ********, I see one country getting what they want and another also doing so for concession.

If we even remotely tried to do similar over the decades we squandered, we could have made substantial allies. Playing the game is never the question, the only question of import., is if you’re a rook or a queen?
 
RoboCod said:
I don't get it but.... VPN?
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For now yes but there will be a breaking point when governments act against them if their use circumvents more and more legislation to control access to content (age verification for example)

Iplayer / Netflix etc have successfully blocked many vpn's accessing their services through IP filtering so they aren't infallible.
 
Not so easy to block VPNs in general though. Many businesses need them to operate and you can hide them and disguise them as other traffic. If you tunnel over SSL port 443 for example, blocking it would mean https stops working and break the internet.

Some websites block them using lists of known VPN servers. But now some VPN services constantly change the IPs of servers to circumvent it.

If they stop you actually paying for them using card, pay with bitcoin like they do in China. So that won't work either.
 
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I wonder if Facebook/Instagram, Twitter, Youtube/Google etc will now enact their worst case scenario plan they talked about in the run up to this legislation, where every European IP address is banned from using their services "just in case someone posts copyrighted material" as the companies will now get fined for each and every single copyright issue.

Whats worse is that "tech savvy" people will just VPN past it, so it's those less able like OAP's etc who'll suffer the most if (and it's a big if) those companies all shut Europe off from their sites.

I'm absolutely 100% sure that all those "experts" who brought this legislation had absolutely 100% thought of every single negative outcome that will occur from this before voting for it! /s
 
Nasher said:
Not so easy to block VPNs in general though. Many businesses need them to operate and you can hide them and disguise them as other traffic. If you tunnel over SSL port 443 for example, blocking it would mean https stops working and break the internet.

Some websites block them using lists of known VPN servers. So some VPN services now constantly change the IPs of servers to circumvent it. If they stop you actually paying them using card, pay with bitcoin, so that won't work either.
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‘Think of the ******* children you monster.’

- Theresa May probably

Or was it Rudd? I can’t remember who made the stupid comments about vpns.
 
ianh said:
I wonder if Facebook/Instagram, Twitter, Youtube/Google etc will now enact their worst case scenario plan they talked about in the run up to this legislation, where every European IP address is banned from using their services "just in case someone posts copyrighted material" as the companies will now get fined for each and every single copyright issue.

Whats worse is that "tech savvy" people will just VPN past it, so it's those less able like OAP's etc who'll suffer the most if (and it's a big if) those companies all shut Europe off from their sites.

I'm absolutely 100% sure that all those "experts" who brought this legislation had absolutely 100% thought of every single negative outcome that will occur from this before voting for it! /s
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Problem is the "experts" the government employ have their own agenda a lot of the time. The government take their word for it but don't understand the impact.

On one hand the government is trying to destroy online anonymity, because corporations can't market anonymous data. On the other government agencies (like the MOD) advise their own staff to be anonymous online, including using VPNs at work and home. The brain isn't in contact with the mouth.
 
ianh said:
I wonder if Facebook/Instagram, Twitter, Youtube/Google etc will now enact their worst case scenario plan they talked about in the run up to this legislation, where every European IP address is banned from using their services "just in case someone posts copyrighted material" as the companies will now get fined for each and every single copyright issue.

Whats worse is that "tech savvy" people will just VPN past it, so it's those less able like OAP's etc who'll suffer the most if (and it's a big if) those companies all shut Europe off from their sites.

I'm absolutely 100% sure that all those "experts" who brought this legislation had absolutely 100% thought of every single negative outcome that will occur from this before voting for it! /s
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How many days do you think it would take before people are rioting on streets over lack of access to instagram / facebook / YouTube etc :D

Probably a human right now to be able to vent on twitter
 
ianh said:
I wonder if Facebook/Instagram, Twitter, Youtube/Google etc will now enact their worst case scenario plan they talked about in the run up to this legislation, where every European IP address is banned from using their services "just in case someone posts copyrighted material" as the companies will now get fined for each and every single copyright issue.
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Interesting
 
MonkeyMan said:
How many days do you think it would take before people are rioting on streets over lack of access to instagram / facebook / YouTube etc :D

Probably a human right now to be able to vent on twitter
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Instead of Brexit it will be called FABEXIT (Facebook Exit), TwitEXIT (Twitter Exit), InstaExit (Instagram Exit) and YouExit (YouTube Exit)..... a March down London with a Million people. I'm sick of it all me keep me nose out of everything and don't listen to them.
 
ubersonic said:
Gotta laugh at the ridiculous of it all, Youtube throw their toys out of the pram because a new law makes them liable for not doing stuff that they should already be doing anyway xD
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Thats the problem - The EU thought Art 13 would force Youtube etc to crack down more heavily on Copyright - what the EU didn't consider is that Youtube's worse case option is just to ban every single EU-based account from posting new videos, delete every existing video from EU-based accounts and ban all EU-based accounts from posting replies (that's from Art 11 - links now cost money to use), because Youtube would rather do that than be subject to potentially billions in fines.

Now spread that same reaction (ban everything from the EU) across EVERY social media outlet on the planet due to Art 11, as every single company in the world which allows "users" to post anything at all (inc forums too) including reviews, feedback, news comments etc all ban EU IP's from using their sites - even silly things like, for example, a clothing shop which has a "review" section for their clothes where any random user could post a section of text from a news website and the clothes website would be liable for copyright and fined - the easiest way for a company to "protect" themselves is just to block every EU IP from leaving comments (or for an EU company to remove the review section) so now "normal" people can't tell others how good/bad the item is.

Like I said, this hasn't truly been thought through because the "experts" who brought the bill in the first place don't even know what they're asking for (Bill creator doesn't know what his bill does) - that link would now cost OcUK money under Art 11 BTW!
 
Nasher said:
Not so easy to block VPNs in general though. Many businesses need them to operate and you can hide them and disguise them as other traffic. If you tunnel over SSL port 443 for example, blocking it would mean https stops working and break the internet.

Some websites block them using lists of known VPN servers. But now some VPN services constantly change the IPs of servers to circumvent it.

If they stop you actually paying for them using card, pay with bitcoin like they do in China. So that won't work either.
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Yes you can do all of that, and if and when the time comes i probably will (i subscribe to a VPN already but only turn it on if i can't do something in particular)

But the issue is that it should have never got to the point where you have to do all of that. It's a shame we sleeped walked into this. That million man march (which turned out to be 400K only anyway) would have served better marching against this sort of thing. This will have a much bigger and longer lasting impact to everyone fr decades to come.
 
robgmun said:
Yes you can do all of that, and if and when the time comes i probably will (i subscribe to a VPN already but only turn it on if i can't do something in particular)

But the issue is that it should have never got to the point where you have to do all of that. It's a shame we sleeped walked into this. That million man march (which turned out to be 400K only anyway) would have served better marching against this sort of thing. This will have a much bigger and longer lasting impact to everyone fr decades to come.
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That's an oddly specific and completely unrelated thing from 20+ years ago to draw parallels with.

What on earth are you talking about?
 
Taken from that article -

"However, specific tweaks to the law made earlier this year made memes safe "for purposes of quotation, criticism, review, caricature, parody and pastiche".
The European Parliament said that memes would be "specifically excluded" from the directive, although it was unclear how tech firms would be able to enforce that rule with a blanket filter."

This quote just shows how little the EU actually knows about technology, the internet and reality in general - There is no way that any AI algorithm currently being used by any social media site will be able to decide "in what context is this copyrighted material being used? Is it parody and transformative in nature or is it an actual copyright violation" so to avoid being fined social media companies will STILL have to block the copyrighted material "just in case" and all because what the EU thinks is "tech reality" and actual reality are two different things.

I know this'll never happen but I genuinely do wonder what would happen if all these tech giants just shut the EU off for a week, as a demonstration of the new "internet of the future" that the EU has just directed all of member states to create laws upholding.
 
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