Article 13 (The Meme Ban)

mrk · 27 Mar 2019 at 07:41

VincentHanna · 27 Mar 2019 at 07:52

As if YouTube et al are going to willingly cut themselves off from 500 million people.

Sankari · 27 Mar 2019 at 07:56

Roar87 said:
We just need to get out of this fascist organisation immediately. Imagine the types of law the EU will be putting in place in 20 years

'Article 13: Memes exempt as EU backs controversial copyright law.'

Pawnless Endgame · 27 Mar 2019 at 08:13

To be honest guys, the internet went to pot 10+ years ago with the cancer that is known as Web 2.0.

jsmoke · 27 Mar 2019 at 08:28

Call me an idiot but if memes are not banned which it seems is possible then what content are we talking about, images GIFs, video etc?

VincentHanna · 27 Mar 2019 at 08:32

jsmoke said:
Call me an idiot but if memes are not banned which it seems is possible then what content are we talking about, images GIFs, video etc?

GIFs aren't banned either..

That was the original scare mongering

Now that isn't happening people have moved the goalposts and think that a mega corporation like Google who own YouTube (who already have sophisticated content filtering systems) will just cut themselves off from the entirety of Europe, rather than use their vast resources to come up with even better filtering systems.

I'm not saying it's a good law, I'm saying the hyperbole isn't justified.

jsmoke · 27 Mar 2019 at 08:39

Yeh but give me an example of copyrighted content, does it include music also.

What images, for example I posted a 'looney tunes - that's all right folks' image on the Trump thread, is that the kind of thing we are talking about. I watch a fair bit of YT but I can't think of much copyrighted material that comes to mind. They already have filters for music....

Yaayuh! · 27 Mar 2019 at 08:40

Worth a read: https://twitter.com/Soc_of_Authors/status/1037989241492525056

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ianh · 27 Mar 2019 at 09:48

VincentHanna said:
people have moved the goalposts and think that a mega corporation like Google who own YouTube (who already have sophisticated content filtering systems) will just cut themselves off from the entirety of Europe, rather than use their vast resources to come up with even better filtering systems.

I'm not saying it's a good law, I'm saying the hyperbole isn't justified.

That is what Youtube have already said is an option - it's not "hyperbole", it's a real option, a worst case option of course but a real option none the less.

From the linked Independant article -

"Now YouTube has spoken out in perhaps the most passionate comments from the tech industry yet.

The company said that YouTube could be forced to stop allowing normal users to upload videos, instead concentrating them in the hands of a small number of big companies. Viewers in the EU could be blocked from viewing some videos and small creators could be ruined, the company said."

and a Direct quote from the CEO of Youtube Susan Wojcicki -

"The proposal could force platforms, like YouTube, to allow only content from a small number of large companies," she wrote. "It would be too risky for platforms to host content from smaller original content creators, because the platforms would now be directly liable for that content."

VincentHanna · 27 Mar 2019 at 09:57

Brinkmanship

Starting a nuclear war with Russia is an option for the UK, but I don't imagine we're going to do it.

Nasher · 27 Mar 2019 at 10:01

VincentHanna said:
As if YouTube et al are going to willingly cut themselves off from 500 million people.

Probably less than half of that will actually use youtube and it might be cheaper than dealing with constant legal cases.

But Youtube/Google could simply move services outside of Europe. Then they are outside of the EU's grubby reach. We would still be able to use it, there just wouldn't be any "official" presence inside the EU.

steve_c · 27 Mar 2019 at 10:03

Nasher said:
Probably less than half of that will actually use youtube and it might be cheaper than dealing with constant legal cases.

Bingo.

How much money do they make from little Johnny down the road who posts his homemade meme videos with copyrighted material?

VincentHanna · 27 Mar 2019 at 10:07

meme's aren't subject to Article 13, you might have missed that.

Nasher · 27 Mar 2019 at 10:16

But many memes contain images which might be seen as copyright infringement.

Yaayuh! · 27 Mar 2019 at 10:18

Nasher said:
But many memes contain images which might be seen as copyright infringement.

This will likely be covered under parody.

VincentHanna · 27 Mar 2019 at 10:18

Nasher said:
But many memes contain images which might be seen as copyright infringement.

"Sharing memes and GIFs will still be allowed under the new laws."

Nasher · 27 Mar 2019 at 10:19

VincentHanna said:
"Sharing memes and GIFs will still be allowed under the new laws."

And does that include ones which make use of 3rd party images? I'm guessing it doesn't say...

OFC they can't ban "memes" as a subject, but they can ban the images used in the meme. Nice spin though.

dowie · 27 Mar 2019 at 10:19

The issue is the impact of the laws, that they still allow memes in theory doesn’t mean memes won’t be impacted.

grudas · 27 Mar 2019 at 10:27

Nasher said:
And does that include ones which make use of 3rd party images? I'm guessing it doesn't say...

OFC they can't ban "memes" as a subject, but they can ban the images used in the meme. Nice spin though.

i think that's the problem with this, it's too "open" to actually be definitive of anything.

it sounds like it gives power to take down anything if they see fit.

ianh · 27 Mar 2019 at 10:28

VincentHanna said:
meme's aren't subject to Article 13, you might have missed that.

Rossi~ said:
This will likely be covered under parody.

dowie said:
The issue is the impact of the laws, that they still allow memes in theory doesn’t mean memes won’t be impacted.

As dowie points out, memes will be impacted because YT (for example) will have to use an algorithm to check every single video and an algorithm can not decide what is parody or transformative use - like a meme - it can only say "there is copyrighted material here" so even though the EU says "memes aren't subject to Art 13", the companies algorithm will be the instrument that bans memes instead, which shows that dowie is correct, the "impact" of the law will have more effect than the law intends.