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Artifracting, is it my 3080 or G9?

Kashinoda

Kashinoda

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My screen went black today and after a restart went black again as soon as the Windows Login screen appeared. No problems in safe mode or anything but couldn't get into Windows normally.

Couldn't for the life of me repair it so I just went with a new Windows install. I'm now getting these strange visuals glitches every now and then. I'd seen them once before but now they're frequent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfPsDnPj-RM

Things I've tried
  • Various nVidia Drivers
  • BIOS update on GPU
  • Firmware downgrade on monitor
  • Different frequencies/resolutions
The G9 is a notorious **** show, but the glitches shown and how they behave seems to point to GPU (maybe I'm wrong). I'm hoping DisplayPort cable.

No spare monitors lying around at the moment so a real bitch to test :(
 
Kashinoda said:
My screen went black today and after a restart went black again as soon as the Windows Login screen appeared. No problems in safe mode or anything but couldn't get into Windows normally.

Couldn't for the life of me repair it so I just went with a new Windows install. I'm now getting these strange visuals glitches every now and then. I'd seen them once before but now they're frequent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfPsDnPj-RM

Things I've tried
  • Various nVidia Drivers
  • BIOS update on GPU
  • Firmware downgrade on monitor
  • Different frequencies/resolutions
The G9 is a notorious **** show, but the glitches shown and how they behave seems to point to GPU (maybe I'm wrong). I'm hoping DisplayPort cable.

No spare monitors lying around at the moment so a real bitch to test :(
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Got a tv you can plug into?
 
Vince said:
Just watched the video and they are a bit odd. Mate I hope that your unavailable gpu isn't at fault. :(
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You and me both. Unfortunately it looks a bit hopeless. It seemed okay for a while then suddenly lots of artifacts followed by a black screen, audio went shortly after.

Same as before now, screen goes blank as Windows loads. Happened on the TV downstairs too using HDMI.

I've tested RAM and removed other PCIE devices, I think I should stop deluding myself at this point :D

In one last feeble attempt to avoid an RMA I'm giving Windows 7 a go.
 
Loos of video on windows is a strong indicatof of GPU issues. If you have a spare hour, u can try run Mats mods to test gpu memory, also doubble check power supply to the gpu.
While in bios GPU is in low state of power, but once it goes to windows it powers up and if there is an issue with power delivery or memory or gpu chip itself then it is likely to crash or go black screen.
 
Benass said:
Loos of video on windows is a strong indicatof of GPU issues. If you have a spare hour, u can try run Mats mods to test gpu memory, also doubble check power supply to the gpu.
While in bios GPU is in low state of power, but once it goes to windows it powers up and if there is an issue with power delivery or memory or gpu chip itself then it is likely to crash or go black screen.
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There doesn't appear to be a MATS/MODS leak for 400.226, which you'd need for RTX3xxx cards. Are there any other diagnostics?
 
Nevermind, it's croaked now. Was doing some Heaven benchmarks and it wouldn't run without severe artifacts at stock. Knocking the memory down 500MHz made it stable for quite a while but eventually it crashed and now it won't even show when the BIOS is loading up.

Now the question is RMA with MSI directly or go through the retailer I bought from, both will be hell I imagine. Fun :(
 
Kashinoda said:
Nevermind, it's croaked now. Was doing some Heaven benchmarks and it wouldn't run without severe artifacts at stock. Knocking the memory down 500MHz made it stable for quite a while but eventually it crashed and now it won't even show when the BIOS is loading up.

Now the question is RMA with MSI directly or go through the retailer I bought from, both will be hell I imagine. Fun :(
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I'd go through the retailer else you will probably end up with a VAT bill when going direct.
 
MSI RMA is in Poland and the buyer pays postage costs to send it.

So the retailer would be best option and hopefully you won't get any more problems when you're outside of the first 12 months.
 
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Cheers for the heads up guys, booked in a return with the retailer.

£100 for a stop-gap 1030, mad world. At least it'll slot into my HTPC when this comes back in 2023
 
mat mods are awalable 400 yes, but hiden well from google and copy right bullcrap. #Right for repair.

But sounds like u already know the faith of it all. Lucky u got it from retailer and not from Social media/ebay.
 
A bit of an update on this.

I filled in a return form with the retailer but they never got back to me. I was planning on just taking in store tomorrow instead but wanted to have another look so I could document the problems.

Computer booted up fine and the card is now working perfectly. I'm running tests to try and replicate the issues I was having last time. So far:
  • 30 minutes TimeSpy Extreme - No Issues
  • 30 minutes OCCT VRAM Test (95% VRAM) - No Issues
  • 30 minutes OCCT 3D Test - No Issues
  • 30 minutes MSI Kombustor (FurMark Donut, 6500MB VRAM, artifact scanner) - No Issues
  • GPUMemTest 1.2, 3 versions running sequentially - all available VRAM used - No Issues
Currently running a 2 hour memtestg80 (https://github.com/ihaque/memtestG80) script at max VRAM, will see what I wake up to. EDIT - Also no issues

The only two variables that have changed are a new Display Port cable and (yet another) fresh Windows installation. It can't be the cable as it doesn't really make sense with the sort of artifacting in my video and stuff like this:

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Maybe it's a power delivery issue, though I have a newish Seasonic Focus GX Gold 650W and at max system load (FurMark and Aida stress test simultaneously) I only ever read 512W from the socket. I know the 3080 is prone to transient spikes but I wouldn't expect them to manifest in the errors I was seeing.

Bamboozled right now.
 
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how can he RMA the card if its working. Take it thro its pases keep testing it with 100% loads for few days. if its intermitend it will fail specialy on full loads.

FurMark is a tool to load power supply rails to the gpu.
3dmark is a good tool to load Silicon die and call out those artifacts.

Artifats can be memory or gpu die related. so put that card to work and see if it last a week. If it does then worry not.
 
Benass said:
how can he RMA the card if its working. Take it thro its pases keep testing it with 100% loads for few days. if its intermitend it will fail specialy on full loads.

FurMark is a tool to load power supply rails to the gpu.
3dmark is a good tool to load Silicon die and call out those artifacts.

Artifats can be memory or gpu die related. so put that card to work and see if it last a week. If it does then worry not.
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Yeah I've been doubling down on the memory testing as it previously couldn't make it through 10 seconds in Heaven benchmark without artifacting everywhere, underclocking the memory seemed to make it stable for a period. Maybe that was coincidence.

I'll keep going and hopefully chalk it up to the GPU gods.
 
I've run the 3080 through the ringer all week and it hasn't had so much as a frame stutter let alone an artifact.

I have another possible culprit but like the Display Port cable I think it's a stretch / don't understand how it could be connected. Maybe someone with a better understanding than me might know.

I have a pair of Ballistix Sport LT 3200MHz sticks which have been running overclocked since Zen2 launched 2 years ago. (3773/3600Mhz, 16-19-12-12-32). These were stable after a 24 hour stress test back when I dialed them in. In addition to the black screens I recently had a couple of blue screens (kernel related, ntoskrnl.exe) which I chalked off to nVidia drivers but I now believe were memory issues.

I've just tried to apply my OC to these sticks and I can't even push them to 3333MHz, the memory overclock fail safe doesn't even kick in and I have to BIOS reset if I do anything outside 3200Mhz 16-18-18-18-38.

I guess the questions I have are:
  • Is it possible memory issues can cause visual artifacts at all? I'm thinking the artifacts shown in my video weren't typical GPU artifacting.
  • Does memory usually deteriorate like this or could it be the memory controller on the 3700X has gone?
 
Just watched your video and something similar happened to me a couple of weeks ago...

3070 Founders and just a vanilla 1080p AOC screen.

I was browsing through my Gmail in chrome and noticed some odd rectangles flashing in the top 3rd of the screen, almost identical to the ones in your video. At first I thought it must be just a bug in the code or pics in the email and shut the browser and didn't think anything else about it. A few minutes later the same odd small rectangular artifacts appeared on the desktop, just in the top 3rd of the screen. At this point I got the fear and thought the worst and wondered if my new 3070 was dying....

Immediately checked temps etc in GPU-Z and all was fine then did a reboot and fired up heaven. Ran the benchmark and noticed that the core and memory didn't boost to the right levels, zero artifacts however. Rebooted once more and ran every benchmark under the sun and all was well...

Zero problems since the second reboot, have gamed for hours on end and ran benchmarks till the cows come home but everything is absolutely fine. I know this isn't identical to your issue, I didn't experience any black screens, and the artifacts were never seen again after one reboot. Just thought I would add my story....

I'm putting it down to a driver crash or fault. Hope yours keeps working as the thought of an RMA isn't great right now.......
 
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