Asian Gangs

RDM said:
Unfortunately when Islam gets to the state level it tends to end up being a not all that pleasent thing for those that do not believe in Islam. We have been moving away from theocratic states in the west for quite a while now and I think we are better for it.
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I would agree with that. Theocratic states are historically nightmare places, the few exceptions however were within the Golden Age of Islam, with city states such as Cordoba and for a short while Jerusalem, where all races, creeds, and peoples were invited to learn and live together.

Unfortunately these things do not last very long, and overall Religion shouldn't involve itself in Statehood to the degree it does in countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Religion's place is seeing to the spiritual needs of the community, the community itself should see to it's Governance.
 
Tombstone said:
That wouldnt change me from being British though now would it. I may well be say a Canadian citizen, but I myself would still be British. Just a Brit living in Canada. I mean, Pierce Brosnan is an American citizen, but he is still British isnt he.
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No, he's Irish. :D
 
LoGaN_TnT said:
The thing I don't understand is why so many are called Mohammed:mad:

Typical Asians
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You mean the way so many people in England are called "John", "Paul" and "Phil"? They're called "common names". :confused:

I'm guessing you're really "proud" to be English? At least put some effort in to the language then.
 
Nickg said:
Is it right to treat someone in an english manner if they are not ethnically english?

Wouldnt that be against their human rights or something?





Yes, there are millions of people all called Jesus where i come from. I understand exactly why they are called this?
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English is a nationality, not Ethnicity. As for "Jesus" there are plenty of people called Jesus, it's actually a common Spanish and Portuguese name. if "Jesus" existed, the likelihood of his name actually being "Jesus" is non-existent.
 
Nickg said:
What is the motivation of the swedish media to 'white' out the criminal images then? This is what i dont understand.



thing is, you have to look at the percentages. We are constantly told that the Asian percentage in the UK is so low...but when the number of crimes of certain natures are so widely publicised then are they doing more than their proportion should?

So, completely made up figures:

If crime X was done 50 times a year by white people. But there are 50 million white population

and if the same crime was committed 30 times by a population of only 1 million asians, then does this not represent an issue?
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Essentially, you see what the media wants you to see, they can and do have their own agedas. The very fact that you're basing your argument on what the media tells you shows you've not really thought it out very well.

"Immigrants (Muslimists!) are ruining our otherwise trouble free country, send them back! There would be no crime without them!" is the topic of choice currently.
 
Vita said:
I just view it as this; since I am religious, I just have the view of; let God deal with them.
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This is a common situation I find with religious people, and Muslims in my particular case, except it's along side "Let God deal with them, while we sit by and do absolutely nothing about it", I hope you're not the same. Does it not say something along the lines of "Help yourself, and I will make it easier for you" in the Quran?
 
ashatron said:
Infact this sentence made me think -



Reminds me why i hate most religions. In Christianity and Islam (among many other religions) women are treated badly and never as equals. Their holy scriptures glorify rape, and their is no denying it, its in writing.

Before i get flamed, its clear i am not talking about all islamics or all christians, im friends with many of both and some of them are the kindest people you could meet.

But when a 'holy book' which is meant to be divine, and meant to teach morals and guidelines to life AND also glorifies rape and mistreatment of women, thats not on for me.
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It depends who you listen to. If such people wish to do something, they'll often find a way to justify their actions, be that a very loose or twisted interpretation of their holy books, or some other things. You'll find that women aren't actually treated badly or considered "unequal". For example, in Islam, the Mother (woman) is the head of the family, and considered to be most important. It's like suggesting that it's sexist to say men and women can't do all the same things. Like generally, men are stronger than woman, or something as absurd as men can't get pregnant, people seem to see "can't" as a negative, and thus "sexist".
 
Castiel said:
The 'fact' is actually more African Americans get 'convicted' of violent crime, which is a very different thing.
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What's interesting is what constitutes as "African American" (one drop rule nonsense) and the fact that "African American" in itself is racist, with it assuming black people = African. There are actually American people out there who think all black people across the planet are "African American" :confused:.
 
Woody__ said:
It's also a fact that many African Americans are poorer than their white counterparts and this has a whole myriad of other issues attached to it (higher rates of pregnancy, drug abuse, alcohol abuse and gang membership all of which can lead to crime). So, statistically, people who are "poorer" commit more crimes. Therefore, wouldn't it be just as far to say that "most violent crimes in the USA are committed by poor people"?
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Surely their "white counterparts" would be, just as poor white people? The "poor" and "wealthy" divide in America is very extreme, and it's agnostic of race, a lot of white people are in extreme poverty as well.
 
OldCoals said:
Honour killings and arranged marriages all go some way to confirm the negative view of women that some Asians hold. We are not talking about small tribes here, it happens in this country.
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You do know that "honour" killings aren't just confined to women? Additionally, you know it also takes 2 people to get married? The men are also forced in to it too. There is nothing wrong with arranged marriages providing both people are truly and genuinely consensual.
 
Nickg said:
And being infidels doesn't make them more attractive targets to, after all you can pick them up and bin them off with no moral pseudo religious constraint? She an infidel so who cares right? Not Allah.

Or that Asians simply have a fetish for white skin girls like many white men do for Asian (Japanese) girls? Like if a fair skin or blonde girl goes to Turkey the perverted locals will often try to buy the girl for use I'm guessing as a sex slave or similar.

If you are forcing the girl into sex where does promescuity even come into it?
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Do you realise that talking about rape, and then supposed people of faith, is wrong? These people are not religious if they're going around raping women. The same way that suicide bombers aren't, despite the fact that they claim to be doing it "in the name of Islam" religious. Rape is a big big sin in Islam (as is suicide, which invalidates the point of suicide bombers, right?).

It's like the whole thing about those Catholic Priests who like a little bit of Choir Boy. Do you really believe they're "God fearing" men of religion? Or is the more likely reason that they've realised it's easy to get what they want by pretending to be religious, and becoming a priest?
 
Nickg said:
Castiel, you know that Islam is not a religion that can survive globalism - without becoming the epicentre of global religion. You must know that a society cannot become multicultural with Islam because Islam must always be 'above' whatever is native, whatever the laws of the land. It cannot be below another religion.
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You know, in the Quran, it says that "Muslims should respect the countries they live in, and adhere to the law of the land with the utmost importance, provided that it doesn't infringe of their rights as a Muslim"
It must be seen to be recognised and ultimately become dominant or there will be riots.
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Huh? :confused:

We see this in this particular country where Muslims want Islamic law to be above UK law. Where Halal must replace non Halal, etc.
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Only the foolish would want Sharia law anywhere. As for Halal, it's not a case of "it must", it's a case of, many businesses saw catching on to the fact that they'll get more customers if they serve Halal food, so therefore they do.

Islam will not allow for other religions to shout loudly, it has to shout the loudest.

That is the crux of the issue.
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You're saying this as fact, whereas it's clear that it's merely your opinion. Now, I understand ,and agree that there are many "self-righteous" Muslims, however you're purposefully ignoring the self righteous of any other religions, who also think they are the most important, what you're complaining about is religion, not Islam, and even then, you're not really complaining about "religion", but a certain group of religious people (self-righteous). There are many religious who just get on with their lives and don't feel the need to tell everyone how wrong they are for not following their religion.
 
kylew said:
You do know that "honour" killings aren't just confined to women? Additionally, you know it also takes 2 people to get married? The men are also forced in to it too. There is nothing wrong with arranged marriages providing both people are truly and genuinely consensual.
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There's no point in arranged marriages if people are allowed completely free choice. There must be at least some degree of pressure involved or else the whole thing is completely pointless. You can't arrange other people's genuinely free consent.
 
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