It would, but people would still react to me as being British. I can move away and go somewhere else, but peoples initial impressions of me will still be as being a British person. Like I say, theres nothing I can do to stop myself from actually being British. Having said all that, it is my plan to emigrate in 6 years time anyway, so I am already making moves to head across the pond.
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It would, but people would still react to me as being British. I can move away and go somewhere else, but peoples initial impressions of me will still be as being a British person. Like I say, theres nothing I can do to stop myself from actually being British. Having said all that, it is my plan to emigrate in 6 years time anyway, so I am already making moves to head across the pond.
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Wow, and I was basically told I was an idiot in the previous page for daring to suggest that 'multiculturalism' creates a crisis of identity. Although if you are growing up in London now I'm suprised if anyone there feels British anymore.
My point wasn't that though, it was that these debates are pointless and people just needlessly argue about it because they feel helpless if they don't and need to exhaust that frustration somewhere.
You going around asking people if they're British and whatnot does not help anyone or anything at all. It doesn't matter if someone is British or not.
Well that depends on what your views are and how narrow-minded you are.
I guarantee you that I know a LOT more non-whites than you do, all of whom are well integrated within the society and (as far as I know) consider themselves to be British.
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But people are taking the liberal view that race/nationality/origin/culture doesn't matter and that its just a 'British' problem. But everyone knows full well the people doing this dont consider themselves to be 'British'. So how is it a 'British' problem? Its a foreign problem inside Britain.
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PK will probably ignore us, because we go against his beliefs and just try to pick apart TheCenturion.
I think the problem is partly inside certain people's brains. I'm not saying that we don't have problems, just that they're nowhere near as bad as some people make out - you only ever here the bad stuff on the news, it's up to the individual as to whether they think that what they see on the TV represents a whole section of society.
So why are you ashamed of being British, what has Britain done to you to make you feel this way, or is it ashamed on behalf of others?
Reassuringly, I know plenty of people who consider themselves to be British too, perhaps British Indian but then we're just being picky really as you could trace your family back as far as possible... I'd rather just stick to the country I was born, live in and feel a part of.
I wouldn't expect anything else.
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Spot on!!.
It is surprising that when you are walking in a high street like oxford circus or ealing broadway as in my case, there is no concern among any people about what is on the news. People are just going about their business; someone is busy shopping, others are talking on the phones, some one eating in the fastfood outlet etc etc. No one is bothered about what is shown on the media.
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Exactly. If I based every belief I held on the news then I could say white people run paedophile rings, Muslims are terrorists, all Americans are ignorant etc. However, my rational self knows not to lump all people of a certain group together.
I think the principle is simple:
We need to stop gang culture ASAP. Gangs come from all colours and creeds. Each one as vile as the other.
Sadly in this world there are a lot of sick and malicious people who will prey on those weaker and bully and cajole any who stand in their way into submission.
We simply are not tough enough on dissipating gangs and equally we are not doing enough to keep young (and often disillusioned) people away from crime and from the (too oft Romanticised) gang scene.
Until something both negative (crime crack down; thus punitive) and positive (helping people to steer clear of crime) happens, then this behaviour will continue to rot away at society far more than the isolated individuals who exist who will make up the malevolent parts of society would do anyway by themselves. (there will always be some certain individuals who have such sadistic tendencies within society sadly)
Racial tensions are bound to exist in a multicultural place, however, they shouldn't be brought to the fore whilst the far greater problem to society is overlooked.
We need to stop gang culture ASAP. Gangs come from all colours and creeds. Each one as vile as the other.
Sadly in this world there are a lot of sick and malicious people who will prey on those weaker and bully and cajole any who stand in their way into submission.
We simply are not tough enough on dissipating gangs and equally we are not doing enough to keep young (and often disillusioned) people away from crime and from the (too oft Romanticised) gang scene.
Until something both negative (crime crack down; thus punitive) and positive (helping people to steer clear of crime) happens, then this behaviour will continue to rot away at society far more than the isolated individuals who exist who will make up the malevolent parts of society would do anyway by themselves. (there will always be some certain individuals who have such sadistic tendencies within society sadly)
Racial tensions are bound to exist in a multicultural place, however, they shouldn't be brought to the fore whilst the far greater problem to society is overlooked.
Its a mix of both, I have greatly travelled the world (over 28 countries on 4 continents) and generally speaking I found that most of the people I have encountered really have a low opinion of the British, bordering on hatred in some cases.
From a personal view, my experiences where I live have been riddled with (generally) teenage pregnancies out of the wazoo (my area has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the whole of europe (might be the actual highest even), benefit hoarders, violence, awful behaviour, awful standards of education, terrible manners, inconsiderate behaviour, isolationist behaviour and on and on.
Its not so much that I am ashamed to be British, just that, as per my original post, I simply wish I wasnt.
Well change British for Asian and you have just identified some people in this thread!
Hopefully after knowing you, their opinions on British people were changed? If not then that's their loss not yours.
Multiculturalism in the form of integration and co-existence of communities and the unimpeded movement between communities, communities where each different culture respects and accepts the diverse range of cultures and identities that exist and fosters understanding and tolerance in the process of mutual respect and integration.
The problem with people is that they have hijacked the term to mean segregation and giving rights to minorities that are not given equally to everyone. This is Political Correctness, and is something I do not support.
We should be working toward a system where people are allowed to express themselves within society without fear of intolerance or hatred. This goes both ways, both from the Immigrant and the Indigenous population.
Britain is not and never was a monoculture anyway, and as such we have to look at the reasons why certain communities are beginning to isolate themselves, we need to address things like mass immigration, poverty, inequality, social attitudes and crime within and without these communities.
The alternatives of cultural assimilation and forced social integration lead to such things as Ethnic cleansing and violent persecution of those who do not 'fit' into the nationalist monoculture that kind of society is trying to impose.
So yes I do support a multicultural solution to social cohesion and integration within society. How we address the inherent problems of disparate cultures learning to integrate successfully is what I am open to sensible and intelligent debate on.
Sadly I dont think their opinions on British people changed as a result of meeting me, their opinions of me might have changed but I'm fairly certain that their opinions of the wider population will have stayed the same.
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Dont worry. I know and worked with a lot of 'non-whites'. Yeah, some of them do consider themselves British, but as the immigrant population grows and segregation occurs, it becomes harder and harder for them to consider themselves as British.
I've travelled much the same and my experience is very different. I've been to the middle east, both sides of the line, America's, Asia and across Europe and I've found warmth of welcome in the main. Luckily I'm not surrounded by such things as I live in the secluded countryside but I've worked in London on and off for years and was born in Birmingham, in Perry Bar which has changed like you wouldn't believe in 43 years. I totally understand your annoyance at what Britain is becoming for I share it but I thought (wrongly) you were ashamed for being British as personally I take issue with this. We have given so much good to the world (and some bad) that it makes it even sadder when I see what we are today, culturally, legaly and in terms of the standards we are putting up with.
Yeah as I say, if I was to use a word it wouldnt be ashamed. Its really just that, if I could turn the clock back to before my conception and somehow be allowed to select the nation I was going to be born into, I certainly wouldnt be hovering in the aether saying "Britain please"
I'm not worried.
No offense but I guess it depends on what part of society these people are from, and I don't mean what race they are. Scum are scum, regardless.As I said, I'm probably in a better position to talk about it given how many non-whites I know - but then I don't really know any scumbags so I can't speak for those and you're probably correct when talking about those.
I have to say I obviously know a lot of white people too and none of them share your opinions in general.