Asking someone where they are from

I think some people here think you have to hate black people to be racist. Like a white supremacist.

But Racism isn't necessarily antagonist behaviour, it's also prejudice.

The prejudice here is assuming a black person isn't really British because of the colour of her skin. Simple as that.

I don't think this 83 year old woman hated black people, but she probably didn't ask the same question to any of the white people there.
 
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NVP said:
Your use of "but" implied that's what you thought. Apologies if I'm wrong but considering the chain of posts you were replying to and what you've written above it is hard to see if you are implying something else.
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So you haven't seen me calling her racist, you just jumped to that conclusion. Gotcha. Earlier in this thread I said I can't be sure she's being racist as I don't know her intentions.
You said she did something, I said but she didn't. I did not call her a racist for this interaction.
 
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No. Again, for the millionth time, that is not what is being discussed.

The discussion surrounds HOW she asked it.
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And again, I'm yet to see how asking the questions she did is racist. No one appears to be able to explain.

Lots of people saying it's offensive the way she asked, yes, she was very rude, but where is the racism? The phrase "really from" may not be an accurate phrase to use, but everyone knows what question is being asked... it seems like people are trying to force racism in here somewhere. Ridiculous thing to do.

Junglist said:
So you haven't seen me calling her racist, you just jumped to that conclusion.
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As you can see from my explanation, it was quite an easy conclusion to draw from your post :rolleyes:
 
NVP said:
And again, I'm yet to see how asking the questions she did is racist. No one appears to be able to explain.
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This is rather circular. It has been explained..a lot.

If you don't understand or agree, then that is fine.

There isn't any point in asking everyone to reiterate it to you ad infinitum .
 
NVP said:
As you can see from my explanation, it was quite an easy conclusion to draw from your post
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One of my earlier posts.
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Yeah completely agree with that. People need to feel comfortable to learn and ask questions without the fear of being put to the court of public opinion. The only way people can learn more is through communication. I don't think the lady is outrightly racist. She may have some outdated views of her time but that doesn't necessarily mean she is a bad person.
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I can see how some may interpret what has been said as racism but for me it's just another moment where you get reminded 'you're not quite like us'. You don't have to share the same feeling I have, that's fine. But don't put words in my mouth that I never mentioned.
 
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Jono8 said:
This is rather circular. It has been explained..a lot.

If you don't understand or agree, then that is fine.

There isn't any point in asking everyone to reiterate it to you ad infinitum .
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It hasn't though, has it? And I think my persistent questioning has shown you where that argument breaks down and this is why you're unwilling to provide further clarification.
 
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VincentHanna said:
I think some people here think you have to hate black people to be racist. Like a white supremacist.

But Racism isn't necessarily antagonist behaviour, it's also prejudice.

The prejudice here is assuming a black person isn't really British because of the colour of her skin. Simple as that.

I don't think this 83 year old woman hated black people, but she probably didn't ask the same question to any of the white people there.
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She did ask an Asian without them getting triggered…

www.thesun.co.uk

Lawyer claims Lady Susan also quizzed him about ethnicity - as Ngozi Fulani says Buckingham Palace hasn't spoken to her

A LAWYER has claimed Lady Susan Hussey also quizzed him about his ethnicity at the same Buckingham Palace event she asked Ngozi Fulani racist questions. Lady Hussey became embroiled in a …
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Yes undisputed fact.

Also undisputed fact that the woman at no point asked "what is your heritage"

But you are happy to infer that it was obvious that's what she meant, despite it not being an undisputed fact.
 
VincentHanna said:
I think some people here think you have to hate black people to be racist. Like a white supremacist.

But Racism isn't necessarily antagonist behaviour, it's also prejudice.

The prejudice here is assuming a black person isn't really British because of the colour of her skin. Simple as that.

I don't think this 83 year old woman hated black people, but she probably didn't ask the same question to any of the white people there.
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Quite.

And she probably did ask everyone "where are you from?"

However, if the answer is "Warwick", she isn't going to ask "But where are you really from? I've been to France, do you have French in your family tree? What about German? Oh wait, you are blonde, are your family from the Vikings?"

The starter question is NOT the problem. The pressing and pressing, and when given the answer, STILL pressed, is the problem. When, if true, she said "Your People", which I think is where she crossed the line.
 
Anyone refusing to accept that England has shifted further right just needs to be shown this thread.

It is why I genuinely believe the Tories will still win the next election and why Labour are pandering to the anti immigration pro brexit frootloops. I mean we have reached peak racism when people openly declare that Black cannot be really British, because of their questionable heritage.
 
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Also undisputed fact that the woman at no point asked "what is your heritage"

But you are happy to infer that it was obvious that's what she meant, despite it not being an undisputed fact.
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Is this also undisputed fact:
VincentHanna said:
The prejudice here is assuming a black person isn't really British because of the colour of her skin. Simple as that.
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Jono8 said:
What??!

This perfectly illustrates the whole issues surrounding this. At what point do you draw the line at someone's heritage?

Like I said earlier, most of us likely have heritage or are "from" Rome, Norway or France.
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Heritage generally means someones culture, traditions.

So if you moved to China your heritage would still be British/English.
 
The majority of people who aren't enthically English (or whatver it is) but grew up here would know instantly what was meant by "no, where are you really from?" - to choose to interpret that as an imperialistic put-down because she's a white lady in a palace is closer to being racist.
 
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Yes undisputed fact.

Also undisputed fact that the woman at no point asked "what is your heritage"

But you are happy to infer that it was obvious that's what she meant, despite it not being an undisputed fact.
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But their nationality is British.

I don't understand what's so hard to grasp. Where you are from and your heritage are not mutually exclusive.
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I totally agree that the question was poorly asked. So the critical part of this, in that case, is whether that was deliberate and represented an entrenched racist dislike of those people from SH, or whether it was simply accidental/carelessness on the part of SH.

If it was carelessness, then the issue of expected standards and appropriate consequences comes into it. SH was a senior person in this, and could have been expected not to make these mistakes. However Prince Philip used to make blunders like this all the time didn't he. It probably happens all the time elsewhere. Is it something to make such a big deal of, really? So that then brings up the question of ulterior motives on the part of the charity person here too - are we sure their self proclaimed offense taking is genuine?



Jono8 said:
How do you define "British"? How far back do you go? Was there a cut off at some point?
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Well I guess there is no defined cut off is there, which makes problems like this one hard to define. My view that a common sense approach would be based on identifiable factors like accent, facial features, skin colour or cultural behaviours. Those factors would all be seen as racist wouldn't they, but its how you can easily identify that the person is likely to have a non-British heritage. It doesn't mean that you don't like those people or that you think they are any less British in terms of their current rights and culture.

If asked, my answer as a white British person is that my great grandfather on my Dads side was Irish, that's as far back as my knowledge of my family history goes. So its not really a problem for a 1st or 2nd gen immigrant to state that their parents or grandparents were from the Caribbean, Australia, China or anywhere else they might come from.
 
NVP said:
The majority of people who aren't enthically English (or whatver it is) but grew up here would know instantly what was meant by "no, where are you really from?" - to choose to interpret that as an imperialistic put-down because she's a white lady in a palace is closer to being racist.
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Nonsense

As someone who grew up in and still lives in secterian Northern Ireland, I know when someone asks me "what school I went to". They really mean are you Protestant or Catholic and it is a thinly veiled question with a sectarian agenda.
 
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