Asking someone where they are from

ICDP said:
Anyone refusing to accept that England has shifted further right just needs to be shown this thread.

It is why I genuinely believe the Tories will still win the next election and why Labour are pandering to the anti immigration pro brexit frootloops. I mean we have reached peak racism when people openly declare that Black cannot be really British, because of their questionable heritage.
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The woman was asked what her ethnic background was.
 
Uther said:
I find this all a bit over the top tbh.
news.sky.com

Charity boss Ngozi Fulani says she felt abused and 'trapped' during Buckingham Palace exchange with Lady Susan Hussey

Ngozi Fulani describes the exchange as a "violation" during which she felt "trapped". She tells Sky News: "I was the victim if you will, of an offence, of racism. When this happens, and it's so direct, and in a space like that, I kind of felt trapped in that space."
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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The more money she makes, the more abused she'll feel. This is getting silly now.
 
danlightbulb said:
Well I guess there is no defined cut off is there, which makes problems like this one hard to define.
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I don't believe it does. You could simply ask "were your parents British too or did they emigrate to Britain from somewhere?" Or "Do you identify with any other cultures?"

NOT "yeh, but where are you really from?"
 
ICDP said:
Anyone refusing to accept that England has shifted further right just needs to be shown this thread.

It is why I genuinely believe the Tories will still win the next election and why Labour are pandering to the anti immigration pro brexit frootloops. I mean we have reached peak racism when people openly declare that Black cannot be really British, because of their questionable heritage.
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People literally vote for the Tories because people like you call them racist
 
ICDP said:
Anyone refusing to accept that England has shifted further right just needs to be shown this thread.

It is why I genuinely believe the Tories will still win the next election and why Labour are pandering to the anti immigration pro brexit frootloops. I mean we have reached peak racism when people openly declare that Black cannot be really British, because of their questionable heritage.
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Isn't this a bit like the No True Scotsman fallacy?
 
VincentHanna said:
Also undisputed fact that the woman at no point asked "what is your heritage"

But you are happy to infer that it was obvious that's what she meant, despite it not being an undisputed fact.
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If it helps, the victims own transcribe of the conversation included:
SH: No, but where do you really come from, where do your people come from?
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I'm fairly sure that is a good clear indication whe meant heritage..

btw - I didn't realise the BBC article had that at the bottom of the page..
 
Demon said:
If it helps, the victims own transcribe of the conversation included:


I'm fairly sure that is a good clear indication whe meant heritage..

btw - I didn't realise the BBC article had that at the bottom of the page..
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"Your people"

Again, awful.
 
VincentHanna said:
I think some people here think you have to hate black people to be racist. Like a white supremacist.

But Racism isn't necessarily antagonist behaviour, it's also prejudice.

The prejudice here is assuming a black person isn't really British because of the colour of her skin. Simple as that.

I don't think this 83 year old woman hated black people, but she probably didn't ask the same question to any of the white people there.
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And this is where it descends into a slippery slope into whatsaboutism. Half the population of London were born elsewhere according to a recent census so "where are you from?" looks like reasonable question. Repeating the same question is awkward as well as ignorant. But its also turning every conversation into a virtual police state where everyone has to think twice about what they say, a slide into a police state of "my personal feelings are offended so it shouldn't be allowed". And you start getting into ridiculous situations where you can say one thing but not another "coloured person" is now racist and unacceptable but "person of colour" is apparently fine.

And no she didn't ask the white people because its not obvious what their heritage is until they open their mouth and their accent gives them away in which case they'll probably be curious, I would be. But following this I would think twice about asking because I'd possibly be accused of being racist or at least prejudiced. Or whatever someone decidess they ought to be offended by and ergo I'm a wicked and evil person who needs to be expunged from society.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
And this is where it descends into a slippery slope into whatsaboutism. Half the population of London were born elsewhere according to a recent census so "where are you from?" looks like reasonable question. Repeating the same question is awkward as well as ignorant. But its also turning every conversation into a virtual police state where everyone has to think twice about what they say, a slide into a police state of "my personal feelings are offended so it shouldn't be allowed". And you start getting into ridiculous situations where you can say one thing but not another "coloured person" is now racist and unacceptable but "person of colour" is apparently fine.

And no she didn't ask the white people because its not obvious what their heritage is until they open their mouth and their accent gives them away in which case they'll probably be curious, I would be. But following this I would think twice about asking because I'd possibly be accused of being racist or at least prejudiced. Or whatever someone decidess they ought to be offended by and ergo I'm a wicked and evil person who needs to be expunged from society.
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A police state? Has she been arrested or something?
 
Blackjack Davy said:
And this is where it descends into a slippery slope into whatsaboutism. Half the population of London were born elsewhere according to a recent census so "where are you from?" looks like reasonable question. Repeating the same question is awkward as well as ignorant. But its also turning every conversation into a virtual police state where everyone has to think twice about what they say, a slide into a police state of "my personal feelings are offended so it shouldn't be allowed". And you start getting into ridiculous situations where you can say one thing but not another "coloured person" is now racist and unacceptable but "person of colour" is apparently fine.
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lol
 
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