That's a great argument Jono; almost as brilliant as GordyR's classic "it's racist because it's racist".
Asking someone where they are from
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That's a great argument Jono; almost as brilliant as GordyR's classic "it's racist because it's racist".
Obviously that ficticious conversation you just made up would not happen and would make no sense.
And, no it isn't racist, but it also isn't even remotely like the conversation in question.
You have basically just said "yeh, but if you change the words she used, it isn't racist"
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There isn't really a transcript, the OP contains a snippet and the linked article in the OP contains the full alleged conversation recollected from memory by NF.
She wasn't mic'd up, people have been confusing the recollected conversation for some verbatim transcript derived from a recording or something but it's nothing of the sort.
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But this is my point. I believe it is a combination of poor word choice and the recipient perhaps deciding to take it in the worst way/pretend not to understand the intent.
Here is the full conversation, as recounted by Ms Fulani:
Lady SH: Where are you from?
Me: Sistah Space.
SH: No, where do you come from?
Me: We're based in Hackney.
SH: No, what part of Africa are you from?
Me: I don't know, they didn't leave any records.
SH: Well, you must know where you're from, I spent time in France. Where are you from?
Me: Here, the UK.
SH: No, but what nationality are you?
Me: I am born here and am British.
SH: No, but where do you really come from, where do your people come from?
Me: 'My people', lady, what is this?
SH: Oh I can see I am going to have a challenge getting you to say where you're from. When did you first come here?
Me: Lady! I am a British national, my parents came here in the 50s when...
SH: Oh, I knew we'd get there in the end, you're Caribbean!
Me: No lady, I am of African heritage, Caribbean descent and British nationality.
SH: Oh so you're from...
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It would have been so much better if the convo went like this.
Where are you from?
Africa
No where have you come from?
Oh my parents are from Barbados.
NO WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
Oh Hackney.
NO WHAT ******* CHARITY DO YOU REPRESENT??
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I am not joking when I say I read every bolded word and understood none.prior art. racism definition from 2020 youguv (note: 'ever happened', not, times per month); youguv doesn't seem to have polled the general population on current event.
juxtaposed, UK accent discrimination/racism, poor brummmies
maybe the event will indirectly help reduce Albanian immigrants - the palace took one for the team.
Definitely an odd converation, with odd things from both sides. I personally don't see "where do your people come from?" as being too bad and I think "Me: 'My people', lady, what is this?" is quite an odd response, it's a fairly simple question, no? ('Your people' and 'you people' are quite different, I think)
well yes exactly. The question 'where are you from' can refer to many different things in this context, hence these problems I feel...
That's definitely quite weird, as it does go against what I thought she was trying to ask.
Ha ha
well yes exactly. The question 'where are you from' can refer to many different things in this context, hence these problems I feel...
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As an Irish person living in England multiple times applies to every question on that list.
Of African heritage how?
By asking that am I now the second coming of 'Itler?
She has a great memory.
Who is old enough to remember the Darcus Howe (he's Black) documentary about relations in the Black community between people of Carribean and African descent?
Interesting, so now it's reasonable to assume what was meant by the questions so long as you assume it's not heritage...
in daily mail language -
- survey/affirmation from 2020 that 'really from'was classified as racial abuse, by bame, many of whom, had it a few times, in their lives,
- if youguv now dared to survey all demographics on the question, would they concur
- being perceived to be discriminated by your accent seems just as pernicious ?
... the foundation of this womens identity is that people will be racist towards her, if you believe they are out to get you they probably are.
Do the Daily Mail repeat her account of the conversation every day, because their readers have shot memories
If the auld Biddy had asked ‘where do your people come from, the people who’s traditional dress your wearing, where do they come from’
Would that have been racist? I’d genuinely hope it’s not because it’s something I could quite easily ask in that situation if I was curious to know the history or background of the clothing she was wearing - traditional tribal clothing has always interested me, be that Native American, African etc.
That actually begs the question, is that an interest that could somehow be construed to be racist?!
Would that have been racist? I’d genuinely hope it’s not because it’s something I could quite easily ask in that situation if I was curious to know the history or background of the clothing she was wearing - traditional tribal clothing has always interested me, be that Native American, African etc.
That actually begs the question, is that an interest that could somehow be construed to be racist?!
With current modern day sensibilities.. yes
**** me, 1200 replies of this nonsense and counting.
Had she said "Where's your heritage?" it would've been a lot more palatable, but then her tone also doesn't come across in text so she may have sounded like David Attenborough or she may have sounded like a Nazi, who knows.
I often ask black folks this question too, nobody's ever been offended and it genuinely interests me as I'm also from Africa and love talking about it. Then again maybe my thick Saffer accent helps this? Dunno, research needed.
Honestly people bickering about this nonsense whilst tiptoeing around the big evil R word is ridiculous, the whole problem with racism is that it's such a taboo to discuss. If everyone just discussed it openly and attempted to understand each other's viewpoints I reckon we'd be a lot further than we are in defeating it.
Had she said "Where's your heritage?" it would've been a lot more palatable, but then her tone also doesn't come across in text so she may have sounded like David Attenborough or she may have sounded like a Nazi, who knows.
I often ask black folks this question too, nobody's ever been offended and it genuinely interests me as I'm also from Africa and love talking about it. Then again maybe my thick Saffer accent helps this? Dunno, research needed.
Honestly people bickering about this nonsense whilst tiptoeing around the big evil R word is ridiculous, the whole problem with racism is that it's such a taboo to discuss. If everyone just discussed it openly and attempted to understand each other's viewpoints I reckon we'd be a lot further than we are in defeating it.
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