Asking someone where they are from

Jono8 said:
If you don't believe the transcript, then it isn't worth you even discussing it surely? You can just say you dont believe it is true and that is fine, but i dont see how you can then add anything useful to the conversation surrounding the wording.

The discussion surrounds verbal racism. If you don't think the words matter, then i cannot even comprehend your thought process.
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Well, that's on you, I already laid out my thought process in my first post in this thread and it's not focused on the wording so why pretend otherwise? I don't know why you're playing dumb here, you saw my first post as you reacted to it and I've since updated my views as more information came about what she was wearing, her name change, what she wore to the palace the previous time, the blatant lie she told on Twitter and her past hyperbolic accusations aimed at the Royals.

Literally the first sentence in my first post (which should read as recollection rather than recanting!)
dowie said:
I'd take the precise recollection of it with a pinch of salt tbh.. but the general gist of it is that she's asking about her heritage and isn't aware of the latest woke rules that say that's now a faux pas these days seems quite plausible. It's become a trope now, there are multiple comedy sketches with the same basic "but where are you really from" joke. That doesn't make it inherently wrong to ask, though some upper-class, potentially out-of-touch Lady in Waiting asking the question in a clumsy manner to a black female charity/activist type is a recipe for disaster, she's not going to be charitable about it, just a load of attitude in reply, the big chip on her shoulder can get bigger and of course, off to the media, she runs...

This is the same charity that seems to like to run to the media whenever it has a dispute with Hackney Council too:
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dowie said:
Well, that's on you, I already laid out my thought process in my first post in this thread and it's not focused on the wording
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Then that is really stupid way of looking at this debate and whole situation, because it's primarily about the words used.

Your argument seems to mostly rest on attempted character assassination by unknowns on twitter after the event, which is as weak an argument as they come.
 
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Jono8 said:
No, the context and intent don't matter if you ask someone where they "really come from", after they have already told you where they come from.
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Well, they do if the reason for asking again is that that isn't what she meant and there's clearly a miscommunication or indeed the "victim" is perhaps being a little defensive/awkward about it and the questioner a little bit put out/stubborn.

Basically, two ladies had a little verbal tussle and it turned into a race row.
 
Jono8 said:
Then that is really stupid way of looking at this debate and whole situation, because it's primarily about the words used.

Your argument seems to mostly rest on attempted character assassination by unknowns on twitter after the event, which is as weak an argument as they come.
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No, I think what is really stupid is to assume that someone can precisely recall multiple lines of interaction with 100% accuracy, your whole argument rests on rather optimistic ignorance of human memory, the issues with eyewitnesses, recall bias etc..

And again, that's before we even consider that we know this woman has told at least one lie about this situation (she tweeted about Lady SH then disingenuously tweeted later that she didn't want to name her) and for hyperbolic accusations towards the Royals (accusing Charles and /Camilla of DV towards Megan on twitter).

Again, just to be totally clear as you don't seem to grasp this, anyone would have difficulty recalling a multi-line conversation like that with 100% accuracy, especially one they're not intentionally trying to memorise and recall until after the fact.
 
Jono8 said:
Then that is really stupid way of looking at this debate and whole situation, because it's primarily about the words used.

Your argument seems to mostly rest on attempted character assassination by unknowns on twitter after the event, which is as weak an argument as they come.
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Have you heard the recording the 'transcript' is from? Has it even been released? If not, why not?
Otherwise, you are basing your entire premise on the memory of a woman that's already proven to hold prejudiced views, I sure as **** wouldn't be able to recall a conversation out of the 100's I've had during an official royal function with 100% clarity hours afterward.
 
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C Kent said:
Have you heard the recording the 'transcript' is from? Has it even been released? If not, why not?
Otherwise, you are basing your entire premise on the memory of a woman that's already proven to hold prejudiced views, I sure as **** wouldn't be able to recall a conversation out of the 100's I've had during an official royal function with 100% clarity hours afterward.
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Certain ones you would. It wasnt just small talk for one of them. Her first and second answer was I am not african.
 
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C Kent said:
complete ******
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yes you are. lets put it this way if what she says is right would you consider it to be racist or are you saying she is making it up to sound racist? Either way the transcipt is plain.

Tony Edwards said:
It would have been so much better if the convo went like this.

Where are you from?
Africa
No where have you come from?
Oh my parents are from Barbados.
NO WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
Oh Hackney.
NO WHAT ******* CHARITY DO YOU REPRESENT??
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dowie said:
No, I think what is really stupid is to assume that someone can precisely recall multiple lines of interaction with 100% accuracy, your whole argument rests on rather optimistic ignorance of human memory, the issues with eyewitnesses, recall bias etc..

And again, that's before we even consider that we know this woman has told at least one lie about this situation (she tweeted about Lady SH then disingenuously tweeted later that she didn't want to name her) and for hyperbolic accusations towards the Royals (accusing Charles and /Camilla of DV towards Megan on twitter).

Again, just to be totally clear as you don't seem to grasp this, anyone would have difficulty recalling a multi-line conversation like that with 100% accuracy, especially one they're not intentionally trying to memorise and recall until after the fact.
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I think it is really stupid to assume the transcript is wrong, NF is wrong, her eye witness is wrong, SH is wrong (in accepting what she did was not right), the palace is wrong, and that years of study into racism and the negative connotations of asking "where do you really come from" are wrong.
 
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Jono8 said:
I think it is really stupid to assume the transcript is wrong, NF is wrong, her eye witness is wrong, SH is wrong in accepting was she did was not right, the palace is wrong, and that years of study into racism and the negative connotations of asking "where do you really come from" are wrong.
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Yeah, you're dumping in a lot of extra there... a comically bad argument yet again.
 
Jono8 said:
I think it is really stupid to assume the transcript is wrong, NF is wrong, her eye witness is wrong, SH is wrong (in accepting what she did was not right), the palace is wrong, and that years of study into racism and the negative connotations of asking "where do you really come from" are wrong.
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It's like a tabloid :cry: lots of outrage with very little substance and a whole load of imagination
 
Tony Edwards said:
yes you are. lets put it this way if what she says is right would you consider it to be racist or are you saying she is making it up to sound racist? Either way the transcipt is plain.
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Jono8 said:
Well considering that is all we have to debate about, I am treating the transcript as accurate yes. Otherwise, it isn't worth arguing about.
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It's not a transcript, it's a recollection from memory, 2 very distinct things. Given people's 'character testimony' that have popped up on Twitter etc I wouldn't trust the grifter's version of events without question no, especially as apparently words, not context or intent are the important factor according to folks such as yourself.
 
Jono8 said:
I think it is really stupid to assume the transcript is wrong, NF is wrong, her eye witness is wrong, SH is wrong (in accepting what she did was not right), the palace is wrong, and that years of study into racism and the negative connotations of asking "where do you really come from" are wrong.
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I think I have been racist to every single taxi driver that has ever picked me up :(
 
Tony Edwards said:
It would have been so much better if the convo went like this.

Where are you from?
Africa
No where have you come from?
Oh my parents are from Barbados.
NO WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
Oh Hackney.
NO WHAT ******* CHARITY DO YOU REPRESENT??
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C Kent said:
It's not a transcript, it's a recollection from memory, 2 very distinct things. Given people's 'character testimony' that have popped up on Twitter etc I wouldn't trust the grifter's version of events without question no, especially as apparently words, not context or intent are the important factor according to folks such as yourself.
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So you are saying she made it up to make it sound racist or not? If it doesnt sound racist to you why are you arguing that her recollection is made up?
 
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