Assange to go!

I will ask something I have no idea regarding the answer also,
how often are international extradiction and international arrest warrents issued on people who are 'not being charged', just 'wanted for questioning in relation' to issued?

Is this the usual method with charges coming later?
 
englishpremier said:
But they will extradite (should a request be made) if the punishment is not the death penalty but sent to guantanamo for the rest of this life
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No they can't, Sweden's extradition law explicitly forbids extraditing anyone for 'political or military' reasons. Guantanamo Bay is clearly a military prison so there is no chance the US could successfully win an appeal if it was clear that would be his final destination.
 
estebanrey said:
No they can't, Sweden's extradition law explicitly forbids extraditing anyone for 'political or military' reasons. Guantanamo Bay is clearly a military prison so there is no chance the US could successfully win an appeal if it was clear that would be his final destination.
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They could always lie, what would Sweden do about it?
 
StriderX said:
They could always lie, what would Sweden do about it?
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Lose trust in the US? Tare up any current agreements and promise never to work with the US again or entertain future extradition requests?

Lying to an ally over something as petty as Julian Assange really wouldn't be worth damaging relations over.
 
estebanrey said:
Lose trust in the US? Tare up any current agreements and promise never to work with the US again or entertain future extradition requests?

Lying to an ally over something as petty as Julian Assange really wouldn't be worth damaging relations over.
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Then the US could strip Arms deals, put them on the black list, stop their relations entirely.

Sweden has no power compared to the US.
 
StriderX said:
Then the US could strip Arms deals, put them on the black list, stop their relations entirely.
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Yes, the USA stripping relations entirely with Sweden and placing them on a black list. That'd totally happen.

Is there no end to the rubbish conspiracy theorists post on the internet these days?
 
Chris [BEANS];22577278 said:
Excuse my ignorance, it's genuine ignorance and not trolling....

What's in it for Ecuador??
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Less chance of the USA pulling off coup d'état's in South America (like they have tried/succeeded in doing in recent decades) with their dirty linen out in the open.

Chris [BEANS];22577278 said:
Assange is (to say the least) a very controversial political figure, he has been accused of a criminal act and in both America and completely separate offences in his home country.
His crimes against America potentially carry the death penalty, which is actually a result for him as this is also the reason that we will not extradite him to America.
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Why should US law apply to a non-US citizen in a non-US country in the first place? do we all live under US law now?

Words from a Russian minister recently:
"We consider efforts to... impose internal American legislation on the entire world completely unacceptable"

There's no such thing as a New World Order though?!

New World = a common name for the Americas.
Order = a US empire built over the past century that has military bases all over the world and foreign governments falling over themselves to please it (those that don't get 'liberated' either by themselves or their NATO arm).

Is it not obvious that we're already living it?

Chris [BEANS];22577278 said:
He is required, by his home country, to answer questions relating to the crimes alleged against him, as would anybody accused of such crimes.
This does not sound unreasonable??
Beyond that, there is also the potential that no charges will be brought against him, as I understand it he is merely required to answer questions.

If what I read above is correct, regardless of the outcome of these allegations Sweden will not extradite him either due to the potential death penalty.

So why are Ecuador offering him asylum?
What does it have to do with them??

Why shouldn't this man answer to the allegations made against him same as everyone else accused of crimes?

It's not like he's already been tried and convicted unfairly and is to be punished beyond the bounds of his human rights, he's simply being asked to account for himself.
At worst, he faces trial. If he didn't do anything, then what's he worried about??
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Lack of trust I suppose, would you put your life in the hands of a bunch of corrupt/greedy politicians and their kangaroo courts?

Even if he's cleared of the rape claims there is no guarantee he won't be shipped off to rot in an American prison for the rest of his life along with Bradley Manning.
 
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estebanrey said:
Lose trust in the US? Tare up any current agreements and promise never to work with the US again or entertain future extradition requests?

Lying to an ally over something as petty as Julian Assange really wouldn't be worth damaging relations over.
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they lied about WMDs in Iraq why would this be worse?
 
[TW]Fox;22577623 said:
Yes, the USA stripping relations entirely with Sweden and placing them on a black list. That'd totally happen.

Is there no end to the rubbish conspiracy theorists post on the internet these days?
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Is there no end to the understanding of language that has depreciated here?

I said could, as in hypothetically.

You can't just brush every concept under the rug, just because it looks conspirational, that linear ******** thinking is getting tiresome.

I know it wont happen, but the probability is there, no matter how small, is still significant because it exists, its negligent to ignore such things, lest they bite you in ass.
 
mmj_uk said:
Words from a Russian minister recently:
"We consider efforts to... impose internal American legislation on the entire world completely unacceptable"
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This would be the same Russia that is happy to execute people on foreign soil if they feel like it. Kind of difficult for them to take the moral high ground don't you think?
 
RDM said:
This would be the same Russia that is happy to execute people on foreign soil if they feel like it. Kind of difficult for them to take the moral high ground don't you think?
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I would imagine almost every nation has done this, including the UK, but i guess the finesse is in not making it broadcast across the planet.
 
StriderX said:
I would imagine almost every nation has done this, including the UK, but i guess the finesse is in not making it broadcast across the planet.
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Sort of the point then really isnt it? A Russian minister lecturing anyone on morality is as laughable as the US doing it. Especially as Russia's human rights record is just as appalling (if not worse) than the US.
 
estebanrey said:
No they can't, Sweden's extradition law explicitly forbids extraditing anyone for 'political or military' reasons. Guantanamo Bay is clearly a military prison so there is no chance the US could successfully win an appeal if it was clear that would be his final destination.
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So there is no way the US could request a extradition based on espionage. Sweden grant it. Then him detained him say in upstate NY, then later being shipped off guantamo?

It sounds like a possibility to me after hearing the US news channels coverage of him.

I'm still trying to figure out how they regard him as unpatriotic. Has no one told them he's not american.
 
by today's standards Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, who reported on Watergate scandal, would be labeled unpatriotic and declared national security threats
 
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