Astral 5090

[wunkley]

OP - I like a good rant as much as the next man, but I'm usually right when I go off on one

Don't take this the wrong way but you need to do a bit of research into all this, as you're basically talking nonsense.

I assume when you say your 5090 is at 70c you're talking about reported core temp? (Not memory junction temp which is usually a fair bit higher).

If you card's core temp was at 95c as you think it must be, I can tell you now the card would certainly not be working 'fine', the fans would not be 'fine' - they'd be screaming jet engines at 2500+rpm - and your case would not be 'fine' either.

And the connector melting issues are not caused by general high heat from any cards. They are caused by a very specific issue of one or more pins not making a full connection so the load balance gets skewed and overloads the amps on one or two wires, which therefore generates crazy localised heat and melts the connector. Watch some Der8auer videos on it.

Your card sounds completely normal. And as everyone has said, 600w (or whatever) of energy gets transferred into heat, and that heat has to go somewhere. In simple terms it 'comes off your card' due to the excellent cooler, out of your case, and into your room. If your room is small and/ or not well ventilated it will heat up in no time.

I run a 5090FE and I heavily undervolt it at only 0.85v for 90% of the time. As such it barley ever uses more than 350W in most games. I mainly do this as (aside from the real world performance difference being tiny) I don't like the amount of heat it generates and throws into the case (my air cooled CPU and RAM are directly above the card) and then the room. Even at this undervolt it generates a lot of heat.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

no no no...cant you people read I DONT BELIEVE THE CARD IS AT 70 DEGREES. The card works fine, the fans are fine, the case is fine, everythings fine except the BS readings. Theres no way this card is at 70 deg which is reported in all the software. It has to be nearer 95 degree given the heat expelled. i feel im being mis-lead by the sensors in the software produced by the card. The room is cooking in the middle of summer or winter. THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THE CARD FOR THE 50TH TIME. The temperatures reported are not acurate and this is why the cables are melting along with garbage connector. And yes i know its caused through the power draw and the wattage. I have ordered a heat gun to measure the real temperatures not the BS from Nividia. Rant over sorry...

I can read thank you for asking, it seems you are not understanding what your card is actually doing.

But I'll let you figure that **** out yourself seeing as you know all about what is happening here, even though you're asking others for help...

 

[momo56]

I get where OP is coming from. My panel heater at work says 24c in the winter but I think it's BS because it gives out way too much heat. It's all a conspiracy, surprised Gamers Nexus hasn't made a 2 hour long rant on it.

 

[Mr Mcgoo]

i have the zotac 5090 arcticstorm aio and i have yet to see it go above 55c even in this 30c+ heat. however the heat coming off my radiator for the gpu is immense. the recorded heat for the radiator is at 40-42c. that's the temp being pushed directly into my room and boy oh boy does it get hot. my living room (20m²/215ft²) can easily hit 34-36c while outside temp matches that and hold that until 9pm when the cooler air outside can cool the room quicker than my gpu heats it up. my cpu however gets much hotter and yet the radiator is only 32-34c. the difference is my cpu is only only pulling 100-150watts while gaming while my gpu is pulling 400-500 watts. that's a lot of heat being pushed into the room. so while you believe the temp sensor is wrong, i can tell you honestly it is not. in fact the thermal gun if calibrated correctly is only going to show you a hotspot of which is likely the memory and vrm's getting to 80-85c but the amount of wattage they use is tiny compared to the core that is pulling 90% of the power and therefore heat. every software you use is going to show you the same temps and thankfully is surprisingly very accurate as the data is pulled direct from the onboard sensors of which the gpu has many to give you the most accurate reading

 

[wunkley]

i have the zotac 5090 arcticstorm aio and i have yet to see it go above 55c even in this 30c+ heat. however the heat coming off my radiator for the gpu is immense. the recorded heat for the radiator is at 40-42c. that's the temp being pushed directly into my room and boy oh boy does it get hot. my living room (20m²/215ft²) can easily hit 34-36c while outside temp matches that and hold that until 9pm when the cooler air outside can cool the room quicker than my gpu heats it up. my cpu however gets much hotter and yet the radiator is only 32-34c. the difference is my cpu is only only pulling 100-150watts while gaming while my gpu is pulling 400-500 watts. that's a lot of heat being pushed into the room. so while you believe the temp sensor is wrong, i can tell you honestly it is not. in fact the thermal gun if calibrated correctly is only going to show you a hotspot of which is likely the memory and vrm's getting to 80-85c but the amount of wattage they use is tiny compared to the core that is pulling 90% of the power and therefore heat. every software you use is going to show you the same temps and thankfully is surprisingly very accurate as the data is pulled direct from the onboard sensors of which the gpu has many to give you the most accurate reading

Yup. And using a thermal gun will probably confuse the situation even more as it will just show surface hot spots like you say. It won't show the actual core and memory temps which are the important things as they are 'inside' the card. The only thing you can rely on is the sensors.

I'm a fan of Nvidia cards but not of fan of big business and AI **** which is what Nvidia seem to be now, and I like a good conspiracy theory more than most - but to say they are purposely under reporting temps on a graphics card is just horse ****.

 

[simon blakemore]

OP - I like a good rant as much as the next man, but I'm usually right when I go off on one

Don't take this the wrong way but you need to do a bit of research into all this, as you're basically talking nonsense.

I assume when you say your 5090 is at 70c you're talking about reported core temp? (Not memory junction temp which is usually a fair bit higher).

If you card's core temp was at 95c as you think it must be, I can tell you now the card would certainly not be working 'fine', the fans would not be 'fine' - they'd be screaming jet engines at 2500+rpm - and your case would not be 'fine' either.

And the connector melting issues are not caused by general high heat from any cards. They are caused by a very specific issue of one or more pins not making a full connection so the load balance gets skewed and overloads the amps on one or two wires, which therefore generates crazy localised heat and melts the connector. Watch some Der8auer videos on it.

Your card sounds completely normal. And as everyone has said, 600w (or whatever) of energy gets transferred into heat, and that heat has to go somewhere. In simple terms it 'comes off your card' due to the excellent cooler, out of your case, and into your room. If your room is small and/ or not well ventilated it will heat up in no time.

I run a 5090FE and I heavily undervolt it at only 0.85v for 90% of the time. As such it barley ever uses more than 350W in most games. I mainly do this as (aside from the real world performance difference being tiny) I don't like the amount of heat it generates and throws into the case (my air cooled CPU and RAM are directly above the card) and then the room. Even at this undervolt it generates a lot of heat.

im talking nonsense, that'll be it then as the sweat drips off my brow, i have been building pcs since before you were born. I am aware of the various temps across the gpu in relation to the VRMS, mosfets and choke, and for the 51st time i know the cards fine, try reading up before commenting. Grief this place is hard work, Thanks for the input but run along now

 

[Noxia]

I have a watercooled 5090 and it runs around 50-60, it will add 3-5 degreees to the pc room in no time at all even using around 250w in current weather.

In winter I could play a demanding game for a couple of hours , and not have the heating on and it would be fine due to the heat it expels.

I suppose my point is that like almost everyone else in here, it’s not hard to work out why the room gets hot when the gpu is working even lightly.

 

[Kaapstad]

im talking nonsense, that'll be it then as the sweat drips off my brow, i have been building pcs since before you were born. I am aware of the various temps across the gpu in relation to the VRMS, mosfets and choke, and for the 51st time i know the cards fine, try reading up before commenting. Grief this place is hard work, Thanks for the input but run along now

It does not matter how you cool your card, if it uses up to 600watts that will all be dumped into your room as heat by the cooling system and make you sweat.

What you really need is air conditioning in your room to dump the heat outside.

 

[simon blakemore]

It does not matter how you cool your card, if it uses up to 600watts that will all be dumped into your room as heat by the cooling system and make you sweat.

What you really need is air conditioning in your room to dump the heat outside.

thanks for the response. The heat isnt the issue, the cards function isnt the issue in any circumstance. My initial statement was there is no way the temps reported on this card are accurate they are a lie. I do not believe any result provided by any software at all given the environment the card creates. The GPU are not at 70-75 i think they are higher than 90 at least. That is all this thread is about. I repeat, there is no issue with anything at all. I just think the manufactureres are telling lies and the temps are much higher than reported, hence thermal heat gun ordered.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

It does not matter how you cool your card, if it uses up to 600watts that will all be dumped into your room as heat by the cooling system and make you sweat.

What you really need is air conditioning in your room to dump the heat outside.

That’s why my gaming room is air conditioned.

That said, it hugely helps to under clock the 5090. You’ll knock 150-200w off its usage and it’ll run massively cooler as a result. Mine rarely goes above 60C. Better performance too.

 

[Mr Mcgoo]

so no matter what people say, all of which tell you the sensors are not wrong, you still believe they are and will use a heat gun that will only prove our point more. i wish you the best of luck when you find out you're wrong

 

[Jacky60]

I'm forced to conclude the OP doesn't understand basic thermodynamics. The air being ejected from his GPU is around about 70C and because of this he has concluded that the reported temperatures of the GPU are inaccurate and must 'be closer to 90-95C'. What the OP fails to grasp is that energy cannot be created or destroyed. The heat from his card's GPU must go somewhere and because this heat has elevated the temperature of his gaming room he has erroneously concluded the temperature monitoring on his card is mis-reporting.
The heat HAS to go into the room unless you vent it with air conditioning which will somewhat counter the heating effect by ejecting hot air out the window and cooling the air within.

This can be difficult to comprehend unless you keep remembering the extra heat in the room is the air in the room being warmed by being used to cool the GPU.

 

[Alt0153]

guy cant figure out the difference between his 4090 dumping 450w of heat into his room and his 5090 dumping 650w into his room from a bigger cooler keeping card running at same temp, more money than brains

 

[kaku]

If the temperature sensors on the card are lying, how can we trust your own assessment of more than 90 degrees?

It's a conspiracy.

 

[simon blakemore]

If the temperature sensors on the card are lying, how can we trust your own assessment of more than 90 degrees?

It's a conspiracy.

my 4090 ran at the same reported temperature yet the 5090 gives off much more heat. The heat out the top of the case is like a hair dryer. The 4090 was nothing like this at all. but we will see when i test the real temps rather than the reported using a thermometer

 

[simon blakemore]

guy cant figure out the difference between his 4090 dumping 450w of heat into his room and his 5090 dumping 650w into his room from a bigger cooler keeping card running at same temp, more money than brains

my cards not running at 650w,,,guy. electricity has gone up too much to tolerate that here

 

[simon blakemore]

so no matter what people say, all of which tell you the sensors are not wrong, you still believe they are and will use a heat gun that will only prove our point more. i wish you the best of luck when you find out you're wrong

nobody said the sensors are wrong except me. I just stated i dont believe the reported temps via the software given the heat thats produced.

 

[simon blakemore]

If the temperature sensors on the card are lying, how can we trust your own assessment of more than 90 degrees?

It's a conspiracy.

thermal heat gun

 

[simon blakemore]

I'm forced to conclude the OP doesn't understand basic thermodynamics. The air being ejected from his GPU is around about 70C and because of this he has concluded that the reported temperatures of the GPU are inaccurate and must 'be closer to 90-95C'. What the OP fails to grasp is that energy cannot be created or destroyed. The heat from his card's GPU must go somewhere and because this heat has elevated the temperature of his gaming room he has erroneously concluded the temperature monitoring on his card is mis-reporting.
The heat HAS to go into the room unless you vent it with air conditioning which will somewhat counter the heating effect by ejecting hot air out the window and cooling the air within.

This can be difficult to comprehend unless you keep remembering the extra heat in the room is the air in the room being warmed by being used to cool the GPU.

i really dont need a lecture on Clausius or Thompson. It nothing to with the way hot moves to cold and Thermal dynamics doesnt count if your mechanically moving the air does it. What a bore.

 

[simon blakemore]

It does not matter how you cool your card, if it uses up to 600watts that will all be dumped into your room as heat by the cooling system and make you sweat.

What you really need is air conditioning in your room to dump the heat outside.

no no no.........grief. The heat isnt the issue, the card isnt the issue. Everything runs fine. I am stating the 5090 runs much hotter than the 4090 yet the temperatures in the software are the same. Therefore i do not believe the temps sensors are telling the truth.