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[Bluntwrapped]

*looks at current games available, then scratches head*

Why would you pay £800 (or there about) just to play a handful of fairly average games you could play on the 980ti to similar standard (with optimised settings)? The world has indeed gone mad. When Volta releases as with every other generation before, current £800 GPU’s will be worth sweet **** all.

 

[jaffveyda]

*looks at current games available, then scratches head*

Why would you pay £800 (or there about) just to play a handful of fairly average games you could play on the 980ti to similar standard (with optimised settings)? The world has indeed gone mad. When Volta releases as with every other generation before, current £800 GPU’s will be worth sweet **** all.

Everyone likes shiny new things and you can extend your eeeeeepeeen online.

 

[nomadd]

I remember the days when the 970/390 were £250 yet now we have the lower tier 1060/480 replacing that price segment.

Totally agree. Hence why I'm keeping my 970 for another year at least.

 

[Scania]

*looks at current games available, then scratches head*

Why would you pay £800 (or there about) just to play a handful of fairly average games you could play on the 980ti to similar standard (with optimised settings)? The world has indeed gone mad. When Volta releases as with every other generation before, current £800 GPU’s will be worth sweet **** all.

I dropped very lucky with my 1070, bought it in the spring for £299 from a high st retailer, but quite frankly I don’t think it was worth the price I paid then!

I saw an identical card at a different high st retailer for £509 last Saturday, makes mine seem a bargain even though I still view it as anything but for what it is!

The GPU market is insane, and is slowly going to price a lot of people out of PC gaming altogether.

 

[maonayze]

The GPU market is insane, and is slowly going to price a lot of people out of PC gaming altogether.

I completely agree. The Xbox One X is onto a winner if they can support mouse and keyboard on the majority of games. Nvidia and AMD will bring High-End PC gaming to its knees and it will all be self inflicted.

 

[Nexus18]

Nvidia and AMD will bring High-End PC gaming to its knees and it will all be self inflicted.

I don't think they care about the PC gaming sector "that" much (especially AMD) as it is an incredibly small market compared to other sources of profit i.e. OEM built machines i.e. apple mac, hp and so on, miners more than happy to pay over the odds and in bulk, AI stuff and the next big thing atm seems to be for self driving/smart cars e.g. tesla partnering with AMD.

i.e. gibbo has stated that he has had small businesses buy up to 1000's of 1080ti's and the like just for work purposes. The likes of those companies and miners are more than happy to pay the premium/gouging for gpus and not complain about it likes us casual "gamers".

I think AMD were right to concentrate on getting the consoles under their belt as well as concentrating on compute performance, as shown time and time again, no matter what they do or/and how good their product is, the majority of PC gamers will always go nvidia just "because".

 

[fr0sty]

I completely agree. The Xbox One X is onto a winner if they can support mouse and keyboard on the majority of games. Nvidia and AMD will bring High-End PC gaming to its knees and it will all be self inflicted.

Yep. Ive often wondered who will pay over £1000 for a gpu and cpu to play games if consoles can run games at 4k across the board. Even if a console was £500 it would still be a bargain for a small and simple box.

What annoys me about nvidias cards is that the 1060 is great and solid enough at 1440p, so what's the 1070 for then as it can't do 4k? The 1080 also has poor 4k perfomance but the 1080ti has passable 4k performance. Maybe deus ex and a few other games that drop down a bit.

Now they are releasing a 1070ti which is another card the world doesn't need. Even if you started at the 1070 and forget about the 1060 that still only leaves two viable cards worth buying, the 1070 and the 1080ti. The others serve no purpose. Its really 5 products crammed into a space where there's only room for two.

Motherboards are as big a rip off. I can remember them all being around £50 years ago and now they are crazy money for the same thing except they are "gamer" and "military" grade. I would assume any of the world's militaries spend their money on guns and tanks not motherboards with flashing leds and red heatsinks.

 

[FoxEye]

no thanks

 

[fr0sty]

I don't think they care about the PC gaming sector "that" much (especially AMD) as it is an incredibly small market compared to other sources of profit i.e. OEM built machines i.e. apple mac, hp and so on, miners more than happy to pay over the odds and in bulk, AI stuff and the next big thing atm seems to be for self driving/smart cars e.g. tesla partnering with AMD.

i.e. gibbo has stated that he has had small businesses buy up to 1000's of 1080ti's and the like just for work purposes. The likes of those companies and miners are more than happy to pay the premium/gouging for gpus and not complain about it likes us casual "gamers".

I think AMD were right to concentrate on getting the consoles under their belt as well as concentrating on compute performance, as shown time and time again, no matter what they do or/and how good their product is, the majority of PC gamers will always go nvidia just "because".

I don't think their board or share holders would see it that way. You take league of legends player count per month. Then players on battle.net. Then take steam accounts csgo, dota2, pubg etc. Just from these it totals hundreds of millions of customers.

Steams daily user count has been rising steadily and more rapidly over the past few years and even those 14 million customers per day alone is enough to make any of these companies take notice.

Just because some of these games are easy to run doesn't mean that people use old and crappy cards either. Most people I know have a gtx980 at least.

 

[Nexus18]

I don't think their board or share holders would see it that way. You take league of legends player count per month. Then players on battle.net. Then take steam accounts csgo, dota2, pubg etc. Just from these it totals hundreds of millions of customers.

Steams daily user count has been rising steadily and more rapidly over the past few years and even those 14 million customers per day alone is enough to make any of these companies take notice.

Just because some of these games are easy to run doesn't mean that people use old and crappy cards either. Most people I know have a gtx980 at least.

Yup millions of customers but as shown in articles, the vast majority of profit for PC gaming sector is from the pay to win/free/competitive games where as consoles is all about the triple A games. For games like LOL, to break 100+ FPS, don't you only need something like a 650ti/7770? If that and other not demanding games is all most people play, why bother getting powerful PCs?

https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/pc-market-grew-in-2016-led-by-mobile-and-pc-gaming/

The total PC gaming market was at $34 billion, including both premium and free-to-play gaming. Overwatch generated $586 million in sales, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive was at 257.2 million, and Guild Wars 2 came in third at $91 million. Microsoft’s Minecraft was also a successful title at $89 million. In terms of free-to-play games, League of Legends generated a massive $1.7 billion in revenues, followed by Dungeon Fighter Challenge at $1.1 billion and Crossfire also at $1.1 billion.

Console game revenues were strong at $6.6 billion for 2016, up from $5.7 billion in 2015. Call of Duty: Black Ops III was in first place with $592 million in sales, FIFA 16 in second at $387 million, and Grand Theft Auto V came in third with $379 million.

Most of these steam account holders are probably on laptops etc. too, as when you look at the hardware survey and see the most popular screen res. and so on is still 1920x1080 followed by 1366x768 resolution and lower end hardware.

Like I said for amd/nvidia and co., big business deals with the likes of tesla, apple, sony, microsoft and so on will trump the gaming sector in general now imo, not to mention dwarf the "high end" PC gamer market, which is why they are starting to focus more and more on compute etc. performance.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I don't think they care about the PC gaming sector "that" much (especially AMD) as it is an incredibly small market compared to other sources of profit i.e. OEM built machines i.e. apple mac, hp and so on, miners more than happy to pay over the odds and in bulk, AI stuff and the next big thing atm seems to be for self driving/smart cars e.g. tesla partnering with AMD.

i.e. gibbo has stated that he has had small businesses buy up to 1000's of 1080ti's and the like just for work purposes. The likes of those companies and miners are more than happy to pay the premium/gouging for gpus and not complain about it likes us casual "gamers".

I think AMD were right to concentrate on getting the consoles under their belt as well as concentrating on compute performance, as shown time and time again, no matter what they do or/and how good their product is, the majority of PC gamers will always go nvidia just "because".

well PUBG (1 game) has like 1.5 million concurrent players on it.

the PC gaming market is probably around 20 million plus worldwide. if they didn't care they would stop making g sync monitors, etc.

 

[fr0sty]

Yup millions of customers but as shown in articles, the vast majority of profit for PC gaming sector is from the pay to win/free/competitive games where as consoles is all about the triple A games. For games like LOL, to break 100+ FPS, don't you only need something like a 650ti/7770? If that and other not demanding games is all most people play, why bother getting powerful PCs?

https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/pc-market-grew-in-2016-led-by-mobile-and-pc-gaming/



Most of these steam account holders are probably on laptops etc. too, as when you look at the hardware survey and see the most popular screen res. and so on is still 1920x1080 followed by 1366x768 resolution and lower end hardware.

Like I said for amd/nvidia and co., big business deals with the likes of tesla, apple, sony, microsoft and so on will trump the gaming sector in general now imo, not to mention dwarf the "high end" PC gamer market, which is why they are starting to focus more and more on compute etc. performance.

It's all a bit hypothetical because we only know the stats valve give us. Even at that it's still probably not the best information to go by. How many people play on both laptop and desktop. I know I play Diablo 3 and darkest dungeon on my laptop at the minute, although it's at 1920x1080. I'm logged into battle.net more than steam but still have 600 games on steam and a lot of people refuse to even install steam because they hate valve that much.

If you take say 300 million people playing regularly on pc and say if even 70% of those are running old and/or laptop hardware then that still leaves 100 million higher end/decent pc's. I think its completely reasonable to assume out of 7bn people there are at least 100 million that have good pc's. If you went to Apple for example and asked them if they'd want to ship 100 million extra iPhones they'd take your arm off.

You take years ago there were a handful of companies making pc hardware and peripherals and look how many there is today. Across the board it's a complete rip off nowadays, monitors, mice, graphics cards, motherboards, ram and now keyboards and headsets. Some of these companies pedal out absolute rubbish but are still going strong. I can remember when only Logitech and Razer sold mice.

I see what you're saying and where you're coming from but the problem here is nvidias dominance AND their complete saturation of the gpu market. If they dropped their high end card down to £500 and bottom level say the 1070 to £250 then we are back to the way we used to be when there was competition and then the problem is gone again. In the end the market is there and someone will want to supply it and Nvidia will want to hold on to it.

The only thing is eventually consoles will catch up and do 4k with nice enough looking settings and in that case something big has gotta change with the pricing model Nvidia has. To supply consoles with 4k 60fps capable chips but not people that want to play on pc is a ridiculous notion really.

I also thought laptop sales have been awful in recent years although I'm not sure. It's hard to say what'll happen but I'll stick with pc over all else.

Once I (eventually) get my new graphics card I'll have two gaming capable pc's and a laptop so that means I alone will have 3 higher end graphics chips at home.

I wonder does the steam hardware survey pop up on all a users pc's or just once? It'd be interesting if it was just once per account.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

It's all a bit hypothetical because we only know the stats valve give us. Even at that it's still probably not the best information to go by. How many people play on both laptop and desktop. I know I play Diablo 3 and darkest dungeon on my laptop at the minute, although it's at 1920x1080. I'm logged into battle.net more than steam but still have 600 games on steam and a lot of people refuse to even install steam because they hate valve that much.

If you take say 300 million people playing regularly on pc and say if even 70% of those are running old and/or laptop hardware then that still leaves 100 million higher end/decent pc's. I think its completely reasonable to assume out of 7bn people there are at least 100 million that have good pc's. If you went to Apple for example and asked them if they'd want to ship 100 million extra iPhones they'd take your arm off.

You take years ago there were a handful of companies making pc hardware and peripherals and look how many there is today. Across the board it's a complete rip off nowadays, monitors, mice, graphics cards, motherboards, ram and now keyboards and headsets. Some of these companies pedal out absolute rubbish but are still going strong. I can remember when only Logitech and Razer sold mice.

I see what you're saying and where you're coming from but the problem here is nvidias dominance AND their complete saturation of the gpu market. If they dropped their high end card down to £500 and bottom level say the 1070 to £250 then we are back to the way we used to be when there was competition and then the problem is gone again. In the end the market is there and someone will want to supply it and Nvidia will want to hold on to it.

The only thing is eventually consoles will catch up and do 4k with nice enough looking settings and in that case something big has gotta change with the pricing model Nvidia has. To supply consoles with 4k 60fps capable chips but not people that want to play on pc is a ridiculous notion really.

I also thought laptop sales have been awful in recent years although I'm not sure. It's hard to say what'll happen but I'll stick with pc over all else.

Once I (eventually) get my new graphics card I'll have two gaming capable pc's and a laptop so that means I alone will have 3 higher end graphics chips at home.

I wonder does the steam hardware survey pop up on all a users pc's or just once? It'd be interesting if it was just once per account.

consoles don't do 4k and 60 fps though. hell the ps4 cannot even do 1080p and 60fps and it's more powerful than the xb1.

new xbox console aside. i haven't looked into it.

 

[fr0sty]

I think there's a new xbox but it might turn out to be ******** like the other ones I don't know. I think some games run at 1080p but there are more jaggies that a forest full of thorny bushes.

The last console that was labelled with the 4k tag could only play 4k video so that was a bit of lol.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I think there's a new xbox but it might turn out to be ******** like the other ones I don't know. I think some games run at 1080p but there are more jaggies that a forest full of thorny bushes.

The last console that was labelled with the 4k tag could only play 4k video so that was a bit of lol.

my point is. consoles will never catch up with high end GPU's. they cost peanuts. the reason why they run so well is economies of scale to bring hardware costs down. single unit/system so games can be run extremely well optimised if the developers are any good. that means you get effectively a lot more power out of them than you would similar components in a PC. however the PS4 cannot do 1080 and 60 fps in every game. so 4K and 60fps is never going to happen regardless unless your playing some stupid little game like resogun.

 

[FoxEye]

my point is. consoles will never catch up with high end GPU's. they cost peanuts. the reason why they run so well is economies of scale to bring hardware costs down. single unit/system so games can be run extremely well optimised if the developers are any good. that means you get effectively a lot more power out of them than you would similar components in a PC. however the PS4 cannot do 1080 and 60 fps in every game. so 4K and 60fps is never going to happen regardless unless your playing some stupid little game like resogun.

Which PC GPUs can do 1080p/60FPS in every, single game? The ones that cost more than a PS4 on their own, probably!

Anyway, I don't think people require consoles to do 4K before they have their heads turned. Who decided that was the killer feature consoles must have? I know very few gamers with a 4K screen, as it happens. Most are 1080p, or 1440p at best. Some of them went for the >60Hz refresh but remained on 1080p.

Consoles need to do 1080p/60+Hz and stay affordable. That's what turns heads from PC gaming.

Sure we all know that a >£1500 PC will look better and run at higher FPS The people for whom this matters will never buy a console.

The people who might just leave PC gaming for consoles are those who play PC games at 1080p. For whom just matching a console's performance in the PC space means buying a £400 GPU.

It's not the people with 4K screens and stacks o'cash looking at the consoles. Why would they? It's the people who want to game without the runaway costs that PC gaming is really suffering from these days.

 

[TheRealDeal]

my point is. consoles will never catch up with high end GPU's. they cost peanuts. the reason why they run so well is economies of scale to bring hardware costs down. single unit/system so games can be run extremely well optimised if the developers are any good. that means you get effectively a lot more power out of them than you would similar components in a PC. however the PS4 cannot do 1080 and 60 fps in every game. so 4K and 60fps is never going to happen regardless unless your playing some stupid little game like resogun.

The pro can and it only costs £350. I have not seen it mentioned lol. It's around twice as powerful as a normal ps4 and can push way above 1080p at normal console frame rates. The new Xbox is not that much more powerful in comparison yet the pro will have been out a year longer. played on my mates a few times and on his 4k TV it's pretty decent. PC as a whole has a lot of players yet on aaa games the console is far more lucrative to game developers from what i have read. Console players will buy the game at a higher price and there seems to be more interested in the bigger games.

Here is some numbers from Bf1.

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf1/insights/population

Pretty sure games like Call of Duty will be even more biased towards Console. Depending on the game it probably gets closer but i would imagine the consoles combined would beat PC in pretty much everything that's considered AAA.

Even games that are not huge to console gamer's and were for the PC sold way less.

http://wccftech.com/witcher-3-sales-split-30-pc-70-console/

Hopefully developers like CDPR stick to making the best version of there game for PC but would you blame them if they put more time into the next Witcher.