At what point do you say GPU's are too expensive and refuse to buy?

[WARburton]

Every time I upgraded. 1070 to 3070 was about that, and the 1070 was considered a good card at launch. The uplift from 3070 to 4070 was 32% so why shouldn't the 3070 to 5070 be 50%?

in some games the 3070 vs 4070 was around 10%
because you looking to spend £500 and said your dont want the 5070. the 5070ti as an MSRP of £750 so your looking to pay £800 ish, or 5080 just just over £1000

 

[Jono8]

At the moment, around £700 is about tops.

I start to seriously think about how silly the cost is when it gets closer to £1000.

I'd never , ever considering an xx90 card at the prices they want for them. It just isn't worth it.

 

[Jim99]

You people are too serious. I don't care about value for money. Me buying or not buying it won't make any difference to the market price. It is what it is mostly because of external factors to the gaming market.

I buy it because it's my hobby and it makes me happy and I am lucky to be able to afford to do so. That's it.

I think that's fair. My issue with it has always been around relative value, so if I can buy a £2000 graphics card or a £500 graphics card, will the former get me £1500 more satisfaction than the latter?

Then I look and my most played games are things like Factorio that frankly don't care how good the GPU is.

I've also realised that on the odd occasions I play more demanding games, I'm fine with turning the settings down until it's at sufficient FPS. If suddenly every graphics card cost £1000 minimum, I'd probably survive on second hand cards, even if I had to go a few generations back, and I'd cope.

 

[Sideeffect]

in some games the 3070 vs 4070 was around 10%
because you looking to spend £500 and said your dont want the 5070. the 5070ti as an MSRP of £750 so your looking to pay £800 ish, or 5080 just just over £1000

I said 500 - 750 depending on value and the 5070ti should be around the maximum of that window, and the 9070xt will most likely be in the middle of that window. I don't see the 5070 as very good value because of the reduced bus speed, VRAM amount and the reduction in Video encoders.

The 30% figure came from Tweaktown 15 game average benchmarks at 1080p. The 4000 series did have improvements because of the cache at 1080 but even at 1440p it was 30% increase so not sure where your 10% is coming from.

 

[WARburton]

The 30% figure came from Tweaktown 15 game average benchmarks at 1080p. The 4000 series did have improvements because of the cache at 1080 but even at 1440p it was 30% increase so not sure where your 10% is coming from.

the 10% was for some games so depending on what you do its not just an out right 30% is what i was saying.

I said 500 - 750 depending on value and the 5070ti should be around the maximum of that window,

the MSRP is £750 your looking at 750 for base modals.

I don't see the 5070 as very good value because of the reduced bus speed, VRAM amount and the reduction in Video encoders.

it should still be the 50% your looking for and its more in the price range with an MSRP of £550

and the 9070xt will most likely be in the middle of that window.

there saying it trads blows with the XTX and in most cases beats it, so i would assume it will cost the same at least

 

[Bidley]

the 10% was for some games so depending on what you do its not just an out right 30% is what i was saying.

But if the average is 30% that means some games were 50% faster, so saying 10% in some games is no more valid.

50% increase across 2 generations is a perfectly reasonable expectation. Most wouldn't upgrade at all for less.

EDIT: TPU has the 3070 as 205% the performance of the 1070

 

[uscool]

there saying it trads blows with the XTX and in most cases beats it, so i would assume it will cost the same at least

It shouldn't cost the same though that's higher end last generation, which now should be new generation mid tier with lower pricing

 

[Jay_t]

£1K is about my limit now. With my 3090 at least I could mine some of the money back.

 

[Naff8000]

Depends on the uplift. Bought a 4090,not buying a 5090

 

[WARburton]

It shouldn't cost the same though that's higher end last generation, which now should be new generation mid tier with lower pricing

ooo the should's are coming out.. it should be better, it should cost less...
the last time AMD dropped the high end GPU market the started to rebrand GPU's and charge more for them..

all the R5 GPU's, rx 470/480 - 570/580/590
the problem with pricing is everything costs more now than it did 2 years ago, AMD will be looking at +20% for the silicone alone

But if the average is 30% that means some games were 50% faster, so saying 10% in some games is no more valid.

your right but you have to take into account what your going to do with it. if there was a 10% in pubg and 60% in fortnight but you only play pubg... your getting 10%
so that is valid

 

[Bidley]

your right but you have to take into account what your going to do with it. if there was a 10% in pubg and 60% in fortnight but you only play pubg... your getting 10%
so that is valid

It's a moot point because there are outliers in every GPU generation.

 

[WARburton]

It's a moot point because there are outliers in every GPU generation.

but if you play the outliers... then for your it would be very valid.
everyone as to come at things from there own angle and do there own research and not just say this is XX% better i must buy it

 

[Sideeffect]

the 10% was for some games so depending on what you do its not just an out right 30% is what i was saying.

the MSRP is £750 your looking at 750 for base modals.


it should still be the 50% your looking for and its more in the price range with an MSRP of £550


there saying it trads blows with the XTX and in most cases beats it, so i would assume it will cost the same at least

I don't think many people use the worst case to indicate generational uplift. The 15 game average is more representative. It's looking like the 4070 to 5070 won't be anywhere near as good as that.
The 9070xt will cost a lot less than the XTX as it has a 26% reduction in die size, less VRAM, and requires a smaller VRM. It must be far cheaper to manufacture, and AMD can be more competitive because of that.

 

[WARburton]

It's looking like the 4070 to 5070 won't be anywhere near as good as that.

the one thing i dont like about NV's own testing they used the 4070.. like where is the super
4070s to 5070 will be a small uplift at best but in RT it could be good, i just dont like the fake frames that Ai will bring. this will confuse a lot of people into thinking there is a massive uplift like NV said the 5070 beast the 4090... it just doesn't

I don't think many people use the worst case to indicate generational uplift. The 15 game average is more representative.

i get what your saying, im just saying looking at an average of games you dont play means nothing.
you need to look at your own use case and no others

 

[WARburton]

EDIT: TPU has the 3070 as 205% the performance of the 1070

yer that's a worthwhile upgrade

 

[Zefan]

I get why people think this way, however when you think about the value of your time spent playing games, the cost of the machine itself is a drop in the ocean.

 

[uscool]

It shouldn't cost the same though that's higher end last generation, which now should be new generation mid tier with lower pricing

ooo the should's are coming out.. it should be better, it should cost less...
the last time AMD dropped the high end GPU market the started to rebrand GPU's and charge more for them..

So where's the progression if you paying the same each new generation for similar performance?

So your telling me I'm still expecting to pay the same for same performance after 2 years ? And so on ?

With every new generation be it GPUs or any component for every new generation previous it replaces you get higher performance for similar money

I don't care if it's AMD or Nvidia I'm talking in general

 

[WARburton]

it all depends on performance, there about neck and neck, but the 9070xt is rumored to have much better RT performance

 

[Bassmansam]

I get why people think this way, however when you think about the value of your time spent playing games, the cost of the machine itself is a drop in the ocean.

Exactly this. Last summer i dropped about £1500 in total for an all inclusive holiday to Turkey. It was nice to a week off of work but to be honest by day three i was over it. The weather was hot, food fairly average. I had a book that i was into and thank god i did otherwise i would have been really bored.

I just bought a pc from ocuk for just over 2k, I have already had about 25 hours of gaming in 3 weeks and i will get hundreds more out of it. In comparison to the holiday it is a drop in the ocean.

 

[Zefan]

Exactly this. Last summer i dropped about £1500 in total for an all inclusive holiday to Turkey. It was nice to a week off of work but to be honest by day three i was over it. The weather was hot, food fairly average. I had a book that i was into and thank god i did otherwise i would have been really bored.

I just bought a pc from ocuk for just over 2k, I have already had about 25 hours of gaming in 3 weeks and i will get hundreds more out of it. In comparison to the holiday it is a drop in the ocean.

Yeah that's one way to look at it but there's also the sort of glass half empty alternative view, in terms of the time you spend gaming being worth such a huge amount of potential income, if you're worried about money enough to get super bent out of shape about a few hundred quid in a GPU then you probably shouldn't be gaming at all.