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At what point do you say GPU's are too expensive and refuse to buy?
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Nah I'll settle for a image of the 4090 printed on a piece of paper from my colour laser printer, affix that to my Radeon X 300 PCI-E.
my advice is actually wait for AMD to release the 9070xt, by the leaks it should be trading blows with the 4080 and plenty of supply. I predict that 5070ti and 5070 are most likely going to be Nvidia's worst cards this generation.
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I got a 4070 Ti Super TUF for just under £600 back in August thanks to the combo of a retailer offer and Asus cashback. I expected I'd end up regretting it when the new cards came along, but I'm glad I bought it now and so can just sit out this generation (maybe the next one too).
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Damn thats a good price. I got my ocuk pre build 2 weeks ago and got the gainward phoenix version and it was £829 at the time.
I ended up keeping cards for longer, which I think many people have done. I look at new cards, think "the degree of improvement isn't worth the price" and don't buy one. It's only when the card I have really isn't up to the job any more that I buy a new one. I was still using my 1070 Ti until less than a year ago. Got my money's worth from that card, that's for sure. Then I bought a 6700XT, decided it wasn't enough, sold it weeks later to CEX and bought the 7800XT that was the card I should have bought in the first place. False economy there.
I game at 2560x1440. I have no intention of going to 4K. I mostly play older games anyway because I don't fancy paying £75 for a game because it has very pretty graphics or it's fashionable for multiplayer at the moment. If it's a good game I'll maybe buy it in a year or two when it costs £20 or less. Or I'll buy cheap indie games. Some of them are very good games and I don't care if the graphics aren't as close to realistic as possible. I also buy a bunch of alpha versions of games. A complete gamble. Some are crap. Some are very buggy. Some are never developed further. But as long as they're cheap and I think they have potential I'll buy them. If nothing else, it does a little to hold off the days when the only game-makers are huge businesses that won't take risks, releasing new versions of essentially the same game at £100 a time and with microtransactions that are not micro. £3 here and £5 there and it soon becomes an extra £100 on top.
So how much I'd spend depends on how long I expect to keep the card for. £700 for a card I'll use for a year? No. £700 for a card I'll use for 3 years? Maybe.
So I doubt if I'll be buying a 9070XT, even if AMD stop making a complete pig's ear of their gaming graphics card division. Which won't happen. AMD are wholly committed to making a complete pig's ear of their gaming graphics card division. But maybe next gen. Or next gen nvidia, if they don't release the 6050 super cut down card, call it a 6080, lie about it having eleventy million times the performance of the fastest supercomputer in the world and charge £2500 for it.
The only scenario in which I'm realistically in the market for a new card at the moment is if the 9070XT is good and it's cheap. Then I might buy it mainly as a gesture of support for bucking the trend.
I game at 2560x1440. I have no intention of going to 4K. I mostly play older games anyway because I don't fancy paying £75 for a game because it has very pretty graphics or it's fashionable for multiplayer at the moment. If it's a good game I'll maybe buy it in a year or two when it costs £20 or less. Or I'll buy cheap indie games. Some of them are very good games and I don't care if the graphics aren't as close to realistic as possible. I also buy a bunch of alpha versions of games. A complete gamble. Some are crap. Some are very buggy. Some are never developed further. But as long as they're cheap and I think they have potential I'll buy them. If nothing else, it does a little to hold off the days when the only game-makers are huge businesses that won't take risks, releasing new versions of essentially the same game at £100 a time and with microtransactions that are not micro. £3 here and £5 there and it soon becomes an extra £100 on top.
So how much I'd spend depends on how long I expect to keep the card for. £700 for a card I'll use for a year? No. £700 for a card I'll use for 3 years? Maybe.
So I doubt if I'll be buying a 9070XT, even if AMD stop making a complete pig's ear of their gaming graphics card division. Which won't happen. AMD are wholly committed to making a complete pig's ear of their gaming graphics card division. But maybe next gen. Or next gen nvidia, if they don't release the 6050 super cut down card, call it a 6080, lie about it having eleventy million times the performance of the fastest supercomputer in the world and charge £2500 for it.
The only scenario in which I'm realistically in the market for a new card at the moment is if the 9070XT is good and it's cheap. Then I might buy it mainly as a gesture of support for bucking the trend.
Oh, you saw prices on auctions and websites? Gee, what do I know.Don't assume I found things in Google, I've been waiting to buy 3080 and seen all the scalper prices myself on auctions and in stores for months. I'll never forget that rubbish.I can also see prices now by AIBs on their websites. That said, it just continues because buyers asked for it by paying such prices. It will only get worse with time if that doesn't change.
Since you cannot read between the lines: I was one of the scalpers. My prices are accurate.
I don't have any set budget. Historically I'd never spent more than £240 on a GPU (GTX280) back in 2008 I guess. Vast majority of cards I bought were in the £120-180 range. Then with crypto boom / covid period prices went through the roof, I ended up selling some older cards while they were still worth a lot, got some tradein credit with CEX from various old kit and got a 6900XT for £775, I justified this to myself by saying well the cex vouchers were making it cheaper due to getting more tradein than cash etc. £775 believe it or not was actually fairly cheap anyway for a 6900XT they were typically going for approaching a grand at the time. I figured it would hold it's value so I could flip it if I wanted and not lose much money.
That was a crazy time, I remember selling an RX480 for more than double what I paid over 4 years earlier.
Realistically I can't see myself paying more than £500 these days.
That was a crazy time, I remember selling an RX480 for more than double what I paid over 4 years earlier.
Realistically I can't see myself paying more than £500 these days.
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I have already hit the point. I am fed up with being forced down a class everytime I upgrade the gpu because of disgustingly high prices. I always had **80 class cards until the Nvidia 1000 series came out and was forced down to a 1070 and even that cost me £10 over my self imposed £400 GPU limit. My next card was bought at a silly time (covid) and I massively blew my budget with a forum offer £600 3070. This actually turned out to be a decent OC version with a excellent cooler and was great right up until it started to run out of VRAM at 1440p in a couple of the main games I play. I then switched teams to AMD and paid £520 for my current 7900GRE which is a excellent card although very power hungry if it's not undervolted. I am not sure what my budget will be for my next card, certainly no more than what I paid for the 7900GRE with it's 16Gb of VRAM and for that price I will not drop to a card with less VRAM. There's no way I will stretch to a 5070ti and the 5070 is going to be massively overpriced for a 12Gb card so it's likely I would be forced down another tier to a **60 class card and they have never been worth the money really and are not a 1440p high refresh rate card anyway so it looks like I will be sticking with AMD and hoping against hope that they can reduce power draw. In my opinion ALL cards are massively overpriced these days, some more so than others. If they keep it up along with ridiculous prices for new game releases they are going to kill off PC gaming entirely and most will switch to consoles because they are much cheaper.
Not that anyone has ever said otherwise but console gaming is not a ‘bad’ option. Easy to use, plug in and play, will get access to the latest games etc.
But I acknowledge that the way prices have gone with PC gaming you’re incentivised to ‘go big or go home’.
But I acknowledge that the way prices have gone with PC gaming you’re incentivised to ‘go big or go home’.
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Not with Xbox nvme issue, wouldn't touch them with a barge pole
I’ve never had a console where I’ve needed to expand the storage, it’s really not ‘essential’ for a console experience. Just uninstall games that you’re not playing, done. It still keeps your game save data so no biggy.
If you start playing around with it like a PC with swappable hardware then, yeah, I suppose you’re going to run into PC-like issues. Never heard of the NVME issue with Xbox before but sounds annoying!
As an aside, I’ve never had an XBox, for the reason it always just felt too ‘fiddly’ / noisy with the menus. I prefer a less customisable, ‘stfu console and let’s play the damn game’ approach.
Don't assume I can't read between the lines. One data point is useless in statistics, though. I sold few of my old used GPUs to the miners etc. when upgrading, so I have good knowledge about how much one could get for such too.
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Read up on the partition system, that NVME is tied to that specific console, partition is encrypted, if the NVME dies and you can't clone the drive, you are left with a brick.And if you disable power saving, NVME dies in a couple of years
Around the £1k mark is my limit - can't really justify spending more and going to x090 tier.
I currently have a 3080Ti - it does very well at my monitors 3440x1440 res (max 100hz refresh) and well enough for VR (mainly simracing and some flight sim).
However, I've got the upgrade itch bad and VR calls for as much performance as can be thrown at it - ideally I'd get a new VR headset too as the Pico Neo 3 Link is just a stop gap after the WMR nonsense.
I tried to get a 5080 at MSRP and failed and can't bring myself to pay £100+ over the odds right now. Annoyingly, to take advantage of SPS and suchlike I really need an nvidia card - otherwise I would be seriously considering AMD.
Guess I'm just going to have to wait it out and see what happens to pricing - though it is tempting to just say sod it and pre-order one of the AIB cards for around £1060
I currently have a 3080Ti - it does very well at my monitors 3440x1440 res (max 100hz refresh) and well enough for VR (mainly simracing and some flight sim).
However, I've got the upgrade itch bad and VR calls for as much performance as can be thrown at it - ideally I'd get a new VR headset too as the Pico Neo 3 Link is just a stop gap after the WMR nonsense.
I tried to get a 5080 at MSRP and failed and can't bring myself to pay £100+ over the odds right now. Annoyingly, to take advantage of SPS and suchlike I really need an nvidia card - otherwise I would be seriously considering AMD.
Guess I'm just going to have to wait it out and see what happens to pricing - though it is tempting to just say sod it and pre-order one of the AIB cards for around £1060
All the statistics I've seen show 4k to be still very niche and rarely used for gaming. 1080p is still the king, though 1440p is respectable now too. Problem is people often can't play games in either these days - both are just upscaled from 1080p or lower anyway. So, technically we've regressed back to 1080p after so many years.
Same here. But also, waiting for games to mature is pretty much required these days to get proper enjoyment and to avoid the worst bugs and problems that plague games on release. Example is the current Monster Hunter - just the benchmark itself works so badly. On my 4090 in 1440p I get on full details 75 average FPS with DLAA, FG cause screen to go black (opening start menu shows game is there, but clicking to make its window active goes back to black again), shaders are being compiled on one thread (there's 0 reason not to let that run on all available threads ) and take like 6 minutes on my CPU etc. On recommended system spec game requires DLSS Performance in 1080p (sic! that's 540p
) PLUS! FG to reach 60FPS, on medium details. That's absolutely ridiculous level of programmers incompetence, I'd say. Especially that it looks worse than Horizon FW IMHO and works way way worse. That's not the AAA gaming world I want to participate in. At least it's not yet £100 per game as a bunch of publishers started to hint at already, as coming soon to AAA gaming world, for base game.Absolutely this, yes!
Gameplay >> graphics. Graphics is a nice addon but never before gameplay, otherwise it's a tech demo and not a good game.Yep, apparently soon base AAA games are to cost around £100, as mentioned, PLUS microtransactions and live services. Like recently EA boss talked that DA V. failure is a result of not enough live services in it... I am happy to see more and more old-school devs leaving and starting their indie game companies instead, making games that they want to make instead of what shareholders want.
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Most NVME drives are certified to hold data with power turned off for only up to 12 months before degradation. It's just quantum physics - the whole NAND cells work on quantum tunnelling, so it will happen eventually by itself and data will pretty much just "evaporate" from cells. Power is required for controller to be able to refresh cells periodically. That doesn't mean it will kill the drive over time, no - only data will get corrupted on it and eventually vanish completely.
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