Atheists unite

[James J]

You seem to be implying a lack of something (in this case a belief) is an explicit position. You can reject the assertion that a god exists without stating explicitly that one doesn't exist.

Can you though, as you have to know the other sides story in the first place to form an opinion on it regardless. You are automatically sucked into the debate as soon as you hear about it. I don't care if people believe and pray to god, or if they don't. That makes me an atheist as I don't believe in god, but I also don't believe in "the cause of atheism" to try and "teach" religious people to convert out of their core belief system.

If it makes someone happy and gives them solace, who the hell cares? Also, if this guys wife is a teacher and hes in insurance, they'll surely have enough cash to fund this themselves anyway, which brings me back to "its just begging".

 

[anything I don't mind]

I'm an apatheist but I don't see any of them asking for money to make more videos about how we don't care.

Not all atheists are apathetic and don't care. Some want to convince religious people that they are wrong and make in their opinion a better world as a result. Aron Ra being one of them. It is much more serious of a threat in the us because there they have Christians trying to push creationism in schools. While in the uk it is more religious extremism that is the biggest problem.

 

[tbyeah]

At it's core it is a belief system. It is not a counter to a theistic school of thought, it is a standalone belief system that there is no God or Gods.

Atheists like to think that it isn't a belief system, but that doesn't make it so.

See OED definition above.

And there are no atheists that are militant in the name of atheism.

 

[Mynight]

Not all atheists are apathetic and don't care. Some want to convince religious people that they are wrong and make in their opinion a better world as a result.

Then why are you against other religious groups trying to do the same?

 

[Gilly]

And there are no atheists that are militant in the name of atheism.

 

[Yaayuh!]

Hmm. Donate $3 to guy to flap his face-hole.
Or
Donate $3 to a worthwhile charity..

 

[anything I don't mind]

See OED definition above.

And there are no atheists that are militant in the name of atheism.

lol 1 apparent militant atheist. 2 billion militant religious. yea strong argument you have there.

 

[Sliver]

That may be how you view it, but that isn't atheism.

You have a positive position, an active unbelief in there being a God. That is atheism, and requires you to have belief in there being no God.

Wrong again.

I never said there was no god did I ? Go re-read my posts.

I am an agnostic atheist actually, as are the majority of atheists. Atheism and theism are about belief. Agnosticism and Gnosticism are about knowledge, in other words what you know. Knowledge is a subset of belief and the two are contingent, so we end up with 4 possible labels. Agnostic atheist, gnostic atheist, agnostic theist, gnostic theist.



So what I'm saying, like most other atheists who actually understand the nuances of the issue, is that I reject the theistic claims of gods existence. Hence the atheism part of my label. I also say I cannot disprove the existence of god, so I'm agnostic regarding knowledge of a gods existence. Hence I'm an agnostic atheist.

 

[James J]

See OED definition above.

And there are no atheists that are militant in the name of atheism.

That you know of in a simple search? A militant atheist would more than likely mascaraed as a member of another religion to do such an act anyway to spread dissension and hate. Terror 101...

 

[tbyeah]

lol 1 apparent militant atheist. 2 billion militant religious. yea strong argument you have there.

I'm saying how there are no militant atheists.

Writing books is not militant. Jihad and crusades are militant.

 

[Gilly]

Wrong again.

I never said there was no god did I ? Go re-read my posts.

It wasn't a 'you' as in 'you Sliver' but a 'you' as in 'atheist'.

Atheists believe that there is no god. That you attribute multiple labels to yourself does not change this.

 

[tbyeah]

That you know of in a simple search? A militant atheist would more than likely mascaraed as a member of another religion to do such an act anyway to spread dissension and hate. Terror 101...

Anything to back this up or just waffle?

 

[elmarko]

Can you though, as you have to know the other sides story in the first place to form an opinion on it regardless. You are automatically sucked into the debate as soon as you hear about it. I don't care if people believe and pray to god, or if they don't. That makes me an atheist as I don't believe in god, but I also don't believe in "the cause of atheism" to try and "teach" religious people to convert out of their core belief system.

If it makes someone happy and gives them solace, who the hell cares? Also, if this guys wife is a teacher and hes in insurance, they'll surely have enough cash to fund this themselves anyway, which brings me back to "its just begging".

That's fine, you don't need to belief in anything to be an atheist.

It's simply lacking a belief in a deity/deities. I view it the same way as I view those hubcaps in the sky which are touted as being UFO's.

One person says "That's a spaceship" - I say "I don't believe you, you have no evidence".

Another says "A god exists!" - I say "I don't believe you, you have no evidence".

Lets be honest here, its' faith in other people which is being presented - the preachers, parents or whoever introduced you to the idea of the religion in question. I can disbelieve a persons assertion whatever it may be without holding some absurd 'counter belief system' (as some here are suggesting).

 

[Mynight]

That you know of in a simple search? A militant atheist would more than likely mascaraed as a member of another religion to do such an act anyway to spread dissension and hate. Terror 101...

*blinks* nope it still says the same.

Any proof to this or is it just a fantasy?

 

[Gilly]

I'm saying how there are no militant atheists.

Writing books is not militant. Jihad and crusades are militant.

Militant doesn't mean in the military or willing to go to war.

You have militant feminists, you have militant atheists, you have militant religious zealots.

I can disbelieve a persons assertion whatever it may be without holding some absurd 'counter belief system'.

You can indeed, but that doesn't make it atheism.

 

[tbyeah]

Atheists believe that there is no god. That you attribute multiple labels to yourself does not change this.

An unsure position that I hold solely because of lack of evidence for the claim of a deity, is not a belief system.

I don't see how it's relevant anyway. To anything. Even if it was, I fail to see what effect it would have.

 

[LordSplodge]

Atheism is a belief system, and I am not religious. I am as annoyed by militant atheists and their belief system as I am in your face religious preachers and theirs.

Indeed. Dawkins and his lot are as bad as the religious preachers. I've got no qualms with people having a belief be that atheism, Christianity or whatever, as long as they don't preach to covert others.

I have Pagan leanings but I neither preach nor care if others have different systems...hang on...I have an idea...PLEASE DONATE TO MY CHANNEL WHERE I MAKE INTERESTING VIDEOS ABOUT PEOPLE HUGGING TREES.


EDIT: Can we stop confusing agnosticism with atheism.

 

[James J]

Not all atheists are apathetic and don't care. Some want to convince religious people that they are wrong and make in their opinion a better world as a result. Aron Ra being one of them. It is much more serious of a threat in the us because there they have Christians trying to push creationism in schools. While in the uk it is more religious extremism that is the biggest problem.

Or take the UK approach and teach both sides of the argument and let the child decide for themselves? I learned about creationism in religious education during secondary school. I learned about evolution in science during the same term.

Occluding a whole area of argument from education is nothing short of brain washing, generating a caste of drones to do societies bidding. So much for the country of "freedom" and "liberty" if that's how you see it.

 

[tbyeah]

EDIT: Can we stop confusing agnosticism with atheism.

They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[elmarko]

Or take the UK approach and teach both sides of the argument and let the child decide for themselves? I learned about creationism in religious education during secondary school. I learned about evolution in science during the same term.

Occluding a whole area of argument from education is nothing short of brain washing, generating a caste of drones to do societies bidding. So much for the country of "freedom" and "liberty" if that's how you see it.

That's the point though, in some schools in America they wish to teach creationism in Science classes - not religious education lessons.

They are not mutually exclusive.

Indeed, I find it hard to understand why people struggle with this so much.

You can believe in god, or not believe in god & also be agnostic.

"Agnostic theism is the philosophical view that encompasses both theism and agnosticism. An agnostic theist believes in the existence of at least one deity, but regards the basis of this proposition as unknown or inherently unknowable. The agnostic theist may also or alternatively be agnostic regarding the properties of the God or the gods he believes in."

"Agnostic atheism, also called atheistic agnosticism, is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact. The agnostic atheist may be contrasted with the agnostic theist, who believes that one or more deities exist but claims that the existence or nonexistence of such is unknown or cannot be known."