Atheists unite

kedge said:
Romans 1:20 - For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Take the human cell for example, absolute complexity that no man will ever truly understand, man will never know the pathway of such complexities.

Or maybe you refuse to understand? which could be seen as ignorance on your part. To say that life evolved from blind unguided random chance processes is folly, it can work both ways you know.
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kedge, I think you missed the memo but creation has been in he bin for a while now. Evolution is the accepted theory.

Just because something is unlikely, does not mean "oh god did it". What kind of logic is that?
 
Castiel said:
If you are fallaciously referring to me, I don't get paid to propagate anything least of all theology and what have you done to build anything, create anything or sacrifice anything for your fellow man? What makes your life and whatever you may have done or do any more value than my life or any other of the members here you are referring to?
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Out of curiousity what do you do? (Not for fellow man etc but as work or something).
 
tbyeah said:
Out of curiousity what do you do? (Not for fellow man etc but as work or something).
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I was a soldier for 18 years before retraining as a Comparative and Historical Linguist and cognitive scientist. I work for a multi-institutional research thinktank, and I specialise in Indo-European and Semitic languages. I am not a theologian nor do I work for a religious organisation, quite the opposite in fact.

Regulus is probably referring to the fact that some of my work involves the translation, reconstruction and interpretation of ancient texts, which of course will include scripture of the major religions...but I am as liable to pull them apart as I am to support them...just ask a few of the religious people on this forum.
 
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MikeTheNative said:
You summed it up perfectly, some people just don't understand why you would give your life for something that can't be proved, I included. That concept is absolutely alien to me and is the problem most people have with it.
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The problem for me is not if Gods existence can be proven or not but why anyone would want to worship, love an all powerful being that watches the suffering of many and does nothing about it, that for me bothers me an awful lot.
 
^TANK^ said:
The problem for me is not if Gods existence can be proven or not but why anyone would want to worship, love an all powerful being that watches the suffering of many and does nothing about it, that for me bothers me an awful lot.
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On top of that, my issue has always been, if there is a God, why would they require their creations to worship them in the first place.
 
Because a perfect, all loving god is vain Castiel, and if he isn't worshipped then he'll condemn you to a horrific, painful existence for eternity. Obviously :rolleyes:
 
God wants respect and love. Just like a father needs that from his offspring. We are too self centred and unbelieving though. Too much hatred and warmongering going on for people to think of God, our father.
 
tbyeah said:
Because a perfect, all loving god is vain Castiel, and if he isn't worshipped then he'll condemn you to a horrific, painful existence for eternity. Obviously :rolleyes:
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Hmm, not all religions or scripture support that view, but then you wouldn't be interested in that perspective.
 
koolpc said:
God wants respect and love. Just like a father needs that from his offspring. We are too self centred and unbelieving though. Too much hatred and warmongering going on for people to think of God, our father.
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Would be nice if he was what society would call a good father instead of never showing his face, or even talk to his children. I mean he doesn't even send any Child Support.
 
tbyeah said:
Would be nice if he was what society would call a good father instead of never showing his face, or even talk to his children. I mean he doesn't even send any Child Support.
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Sometimes being a good father means allowing your children to make their own mistakes and choices. It can be argued that scripture is God talking to his children, even if half the time they are not listening and the other half they are interpreting what is being said to justify their messing about...sounds like a typical Father-->Teenager relationship to me...;)

As for child support...it could be argued that we are living on that support...:p
 
koolpc said:
God wants respect and love. Just like a father needs that from his offspring. We are too self centred and unbelieving though. Too much hatred and warmongering going on for people to think of God, our father.
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The fact that you have visited Auschwitz and seen with your very own eyes the horror of humanity at one of its most lowest and you say "God wants respect and love", where was his respect and love when millions of Jews were being tortured and gassed for the pleasure Nazis?
 
^TANK^ said:
The fact that you have visited Auschwitz and seen with your very own eyes the horror of humanity at one of its most lowest and you say "God wants respect and love", where was his respect and love when millions of Jews were being tortured and gassed for the pleasure Nazis?
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I'm not religious but Auschwitz made me feel as if there might be something more...the atmosphere there is palpable and I've seen some horrible stuff in my time, but that place just felt...wrong! I can't really describe it, even the birds were silent. It was if the universe was weeping. :mad::(

I'll never go back there.
 
Castiel said:
No, but at the same time you should be objective and not assume a singular position as being indicative of the whole.
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I wasn't, it was an example. Sorry if it came across that way.

I want to visit Auchswitz, can't imagine the feeling. Knowing the evil and death that has preceded you there must be... horrific in a surreal way.
 
tbyeah said:
I wasn't, it was an example. Sorry if it came across that way.
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Fair enough, and you are correct, some definitions of God make a God to be a vain, and rather superfluous figure..but then it is inherent in our psyche to anthropomorphise concepts and subjects in relation to ourselves.

tbyeah said:
I want to visit Auchswitz, can't imagine the feeling. Knowing the evil and death that has preceded you there must be... horrific in a surreal way.
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It's not even that, it's the actual physical, palpable feeling of the place...its surreal, but not in an abstract way, in a very real physically and mentally demanding way. I would never return, but by the same token I would not take back going in the first place.
 
Castiel said:
On top of that, my issue has always been, if there is a God, why would they require their creations to worship them in the first place.
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Religion based on the magic books is based on faith. There is no evidence that there are entities outside of this reality that created everything. It is an idea that is it, it originated in the minds of men to fool other men and manipulate them. It was used as a way to add consequence in the minds of the population for sin. People were too stupid to create a rational philosophical foundation for ethics and instead had to use the fear of eternal damnation as a mechanism to manipulate the populace. Obviously over time it has been refined and refined and translated and interpreted and refined and refined and on. There are many books out that claim to prove that all the religious texts are not actually factual and are simply ancient stories that are adapted over time. More recent analysis from Sam Harris and others shows that they are from the best books to base our ethics and understanding of life on.
 
anything I don't mind said:
Religion based on the magic books is based on faith. There is no evidence that there are entities outside of this reality that created everything. It is an idea that is it, it originated in the minds of men to fool other men and manipulate them. It was used as a way to add consequence in the minds of the population for sin. People were too stupid to create a rational philosophical foundation for ethics and instead had to use the fear of eternal damnation as a mechanism to manipulate the populace. Obviously over time it has been refined and refined and translated and interpreted and refined and refined and on. There are many books out that claim to prove that all the religious texts are not actually factual and are simply ancient stories that are adapted over time. More recent analysis from Sam Harris and others shows that they are from the best books to base our ethics and understanding of life on.
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Its a point of view if you want to follow that line of reasoning, but not one relevant to the post you quoted from me. :confused:
 
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