Attack on NI military base

[chumpit]

That was then though. Who's to say their numbers have not grown behind closed doors? Besides, arrest and punishment may well have led others to join the cause who were close to those caught. We can't say for certain how things have happened behind the scenes, all we know now is that the Real IRA have claimed responsibility for an attack that does little to help the peace process.

true but luckly for use the youth of rep of ireland have become more liberal they even let the british army escort a dead rir soldier through a once pro ira village, which would never happen in the 70 or 80s.
I believe that the recruiting base for rira has shrunk rapidly from intelligant to near stone age rejects that would in any over country turn to crime any way, their for will be likely caught mouthing of to their friends in the pubs.
I reckon they should rename to The chav ira, also the likely hood is that most of these units are made up of old men and young chavs who will have criminal records and will be picked up on the dumped stolen car.

But the great thing is thanks to the islamic extremists their has been a massive increasment in survailence and counter terror equipment and ablities menaing these people are gonna have to relie on the civilians their targeting.

 

[Cob]

A certain saying, the **** is going to hit the fan if that’s the case,

Not really.


We knew from the moment it happened that that's who was behind it. It's them that the security forces have been concentrating on for the past few years, pretty much since Omagh.


It's just a small bunch of the most hard-line ex-PIRA members (they left the PIRA as they didn't agree with the peace process), mixed with a few brainwashed blood-thirsty young bucks.


The RIRA have no political affiliation like the old paramilitary groups on both sides had, and hence there will be no **** to throw this time.

 

[Alphane]

From the report that was posted I think the most worrying aspect is the fact this so called 'splinter' group was fromed by one of there top men and as such it's difficult to say how much 'behind closed doors' support from the people on that side of the conflict, also to be even more suspicious and paranoid perhaps the IRA are playing a 'long game' of political good cop/bad cop . feints within feints within feints
To the other side I would say the phrase 'Fight not the BEAST lest you become the BEAST' is an ever poinent one I feel

 

[MrKeeno]

I would say the main point of this is to draw the British army back onto the streets of N.Ireland. If patrols start up again the RIRA will have a lot of targets to shoot at.

It will also throw the peace process up the left, if the army starts coming into nationalist area's again I can see all hell breaking loose.

 

[chumpit]

Not really.





It's just a small bunch of the most hard-line ex-PIRA members (they left the PIRA as they didn't agree with the peace process), mixed with a few brainwashed blood-thirsty young bucks.

If it is hardline ex pira theyll be picked up pretty quick,
had a message from a mate from training whos a reme mech at hereford (cant say i trust this 100% as everyone and their mate is apperently works with the regiment...) but hes says that most of the civvy vichles were deployed last night, along with apperent large amount of gear...
so if we choose to believe my mate either sas ctw is going for a road trip or been re deployed??
i would wait for comfirmation before taking this as gospel truth, and it will be annouceds as all ira men fear the sas

I would say the main point of this is to draw the British army back onto the streets of N.Ireland. If patrols start up again the RIRA will have a lot of targets to shoot at.

It will also throw the peace process up the left, if the army starts coming into nationalist area's again I can see all hell breaking loose.

differance is all the gear has been upgraded to high end armoured no more patroling in allumium landys, so theyll have to use rpgs and heavier whilst hiding in a area full of people that dont want em

 

[MrKeeno]

Im not sure catching these guys will be easy or quick. I would say they are long gone now, probably deep down in the South of Ireland. Idiots they are but you can be sure of one thing, the escape plan will be more thought out than the murders.

 

[chumpit]

busman, can i ask you something?
What do you reckon the people of derry after 10 year of peace will welcome the rira back with warm arms or lynch them form the nearest lamp post if this escalates?

 

[Cob]

dp

 

[Cob]

If it is hardline ex pira theyll be picked up pretty quick,

They've been trying to pin Omagh on the prime suspects for well over a decade now, but have failed miserably.


There's very few members of this organisation and very few people know whats happening, and thus it's very hard to break into.


The security forces ofcourse have some intelligence, but you just have to look at last night and the 300lb bomb they abandoned in January to see how little the police know.

 

[MrKeeno]

busman, can i ask you something?
What do you reckon the people of derry after 10 year of peace will welcome the rira back with warm arms or lynch them form the nearest lamp post if this escalates?

I come from a Nationalist background, I'd love to see a United Ireland TBH but I would not want to see it at the expense of other peoples lives, civilian or Army.

Any decent person will be outraged at this shooting and scared of what is to come. The RIRA or any other group are no longer wanted here and if they threaten the peace we have all become used to, they will find the people that once tolerated their existence and petit punishment beatings will be turning them in at the first opportunity.

 

[Azagoth]

Whilst this is a tragic turn of events and as someone who's lost mates over there during the so called 'Troubles' I can sympathise with the families of the fallen soldiers.

That said though, I find it rather pathetic that Channel 5 have decided to take off the film, "The Devil's Own" tonight because of these events.

 

[chucky]

I would say the main point of this is to draw the British army back onto the streets of N.Ireland. If patrols start up again the RIRA will have a lot of targets to shoot at.

It will also throw the peace process up the left, if the army starts coming into nationalist area's again I can see all hell breaking loose.

I doubt that, unless they start targeting exclusively civilians.

Seems a bit pointless/stupid if all they want to do is kill military, increasing the military levels?

I would be fairly confident that the people who did this are known. Or if not known, there will be channels available to find them.

Whether or not its politically ok to get rid of these guys or arrest them, im sure is the discussion of a lot of people at the minute.

 

[Brian Stuart]

I doubt that, unless they start targeting exclusively civilians.

Seems a bit pointless/stupid if all they want to do is kill military, increasing the military levels?

I would be fairly confident that the people who did this are known. Or if not known, there will be channels available to find them.

Whether or not its politically ok to get rid of these guys or arrest them, im sure is the discussion of a lot of people at the minute.

Not really a lot to discuss. Evidence is required to arrest and convict and as has been pointed out that will be hard to come by. As to "get rid of these guys" that is not an option as the whole peace process would collapse if that were to happen and become public.

 

[Art]

donst matter what they think f the public, its what the public think of them

That's exactly the point I was making with that post.

As to "get rid of these guys" that is not an option as the whole peace process would collapse if that were to happen and become public.

You wouldn't even need to wait for it to become public, if you mysteriously disappeared every PIRA man and his mate people would notice groups with certain leanings suddenly vanishing. There might not be evidence you got rid of them, but that wouldn't matter. People would know something illegal was going on, and wouldn't be too happy about it

 

[chumpit]

Not really a lot to discuss. Evidence is required to arrest and convict and as has been pointed out that will be hard to come by. As to "get rid of these guys" that is not an option as the whole peace process would collapse if that were to happen and become public.

not really theyd just turn up dead and the main peace process is between pira and ud-whatever they are now, the british army is just at the side lines trying to stop the two sides from killing each over.
and rira are upsetting piras/sinn fien politcal purposes so i doubt theired be much of a uproar from anyone, except their familes.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

You'd be surprised how easy it is to get your hands on an automatic gun in NI.

Or in the UK for that matter too...

 

[chumpit]

true, guns are easy to get hold of, the only good thing is that the guns are mostly more of a danger to the firers than the people their shooting at.
the rira fired two mags so 50 -60 rounds and only killed 2 due to poor ammo and weapons, training.

 

[chucky]

not really theyd just turn up dead and the main peace process is between pira and ud-whatever they are now, the british army is just at the side lines trying to stop the two sides from killing each over.
and rira are upsetting piras/sinn fien politcal purposes so i doubt theired be much of a uproar from anyone, except their familes.

Exactly.

The people who did this could easily just turn up dead. I dont have any links to any examples, but there is lots of examples where paramilitaries have been killed, and not much is known about it.

 

[Scream]

Did that story not make the news? Don't remember reading it. Where did it happen?

It happen in the Fermangh area and very little was said on the news like most incidents that happen unless it involves a fatality. Its one of very many attempts on the security force recently that were foiled or went wrong by the republican terrorists.

The problem we have in NI is the security forces cannot get involved if an ambush is to take place like the one I mentioned above even if they knew that 4 men were lying in the ditch await. The security forces had to leave them alone which is a disgrace but thats all they can do when there is not enough personal in the security force to deal with such threats, afterall the RIR were removed and a high percentage of the Police stations closed down. There is simply no one to help with the threats. This is why Sir Hugh Orde called in the special forces who will from now on intercept such ambushes with a shoot to kill policy if its to be.

 

[Alphane]

Gotta say this is singly the most depressing thread I've ever been involved in and I toally regret getting so hammered last night and posting on the forums, I did warn myself earlier on but did I listen no no I knew better didn't I, YES RIGHT