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Audi owners in here!
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Soldato
Blimey, that’s a lot of car for the money. From memory, the S4 Avants have been going for 32-35k for a well specced vehicle
Caporegime
I think they pretty comparable in price. You need to go for a newer C43 to get the updated interior with digital dash, where as the S4 got it's interior updated in 2017. Personally I wouldn't go for a C43 unless it had the digital dash, and then the price does jump up a bit.
This S4 looks decent for example: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106053510318
A comparably priced C43 would have the older interior without the digital dash and the 367ps engine, not the 390ps engine e.g https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106163889601
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The biggest issue is a 2019 C43 is considerably more and the digital dash doesn't really add much i.e you're not going from Command to MBUX. The older system does have it's shortcomings but you can update to Carplay and a bigger screen if you really wanted to. Otherwise the facelift is negligible.
I sort of wish I tried an S4 before choosing the Merc but am happy with the choice.
I sort of wish I tried an S4 before choosing the Merc but am happy with the choice.
Soldato
The S4 is a pretty entry level spec, with no pan roof and red interior (which typically drives the price down.
I agree that the Mercs are overpriced, but the S4 avant, in particular, is very expensive considering you’re just getting extra boot space
Caporegime
The S4 is a pretty entry level spec, with no pan roof and red interior (which typically drives the price down.
I agree that the Mercs are overpriced, but the S4 avant, in particular, is very expensive considering you’re just getting extra boot space
Yea it's not ideal. I did look at moving up from my 2017 252ps A4 Avant to an S4 Avant, but as you say most S4s are pretty poorly specced, especially as mine is an ex-Audi press car with matrix LEDs, pano roof, 360 cameras, keyless entry etc.
Soldato
Blimey
That’s a good level of equipment!
I don’t think that the upgrade is worth it personally if you already own a 252. With a stage 1 remap, as long as the power and torque figures are within the rated spec of the ZF box in your car, will offer performance not too dissimilar from the V6.
We know the EA888 will do at least 310 BHP.
Caporegime
Blimey
That’s a good level of equipment!
I don’t think that the upgrade is worth it personally if you already own a 252. With a stage 1 remap, as long as the power and torque figures are within the rated spec of the ZF box in your car, will offer performance not too dissimilar from the V6.
We know the EA888 will do at least 310 BHP.
I toyed many times with a remap but the S-Tronic in the A4 isn't built to take much more torque. Also going on the Audi all-in plan which is great value, a remap wouldn't work with the warranty. Booked in this Saturday to get in on the all-in plan.
Soldato
Sounds like you’ve got it sussed - I’m sure the extra power would be nice, but realistically, 252 PS is plenty on the roads, and to upgrade, you’re probably going to have to shell out ~10k+
Soldato
I think the 252 has a dsg box, only the S4 has the Zf, as well as the higher powered 3.0l diesel but not the 252ps...Blimey
That’s a good level of equipment!
I don’t think that the upgrade is worth it personally if you already own a 252. With a stage 1 remap, as long as the power and torque figures are within the rated spec of the ZF box in your car, will offer performance not too dissimilar from the V6.
We know the EA888 will do at least 310 BHP.
Caporegime
Yep the time to buy an S4 was back when I bought the A4. I look at cars occasionally as potential upgrades and honestly I'd have to spend quite a bit more to get something that truly feels like an upgrade.
I have toyed with the idea an RS3 next year, but depends on funds. Wife wants a couple year old Mazda MX5 next year and to open a new salon.
Correct. The DSG in the A4 doesn't have a huge torque allowance in the spec which put me off any potential remaps.
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Soldato
Oh really??
That's really interesting - I wonder why they've done that? Surely it makes sense from an economy stand point to keep the production the same?
Caporegime
The ZF was chosen for the S4 due to the higher torque.
Soldato
Same engine as the 190ps, same gearbox. I had my 190ps up to a quote 250ps and 400Nm of torque. The gearbox used with the E888 in the A4 is a DL382-Q https://tvsengineering.com/en/dsg-gearbox/dl382-2/
ABT, Audi tuning experts, can take the torque to 440Nm.
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Caporegime
Gave the A4 a quick interior clean, still really love the interior.
Caporegime
Interesting that it's rated at 400nm and tuners are happily going beyond this on a stage 1.
Soldato
The figure of 400Nm has always been open for debate, tuners I have spoken to say the gearbox easily goes beyond without issues on their test vehicles so the jury's out..
Soldato
Nope, not on the B9...