Audi S4 Quattro...

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Currently looking into the Audi S4 Quattro (2.7 V6 BiTurbo) you can pick up a 99 - 00 for around 9 - 10k.

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Great looking car, nice and quick but whats the catch, i means thats a shed load of car for 9k i take it the running costs are high?

Anyone had experience with one, seasoned views welcome!
 
Good ones come up rarely. Pre-facelift models (before 1999.5) have well known problems with manifolds needing to be replaced, but this is an engine out job as the V6 is squeezed in so tightly. Looking at about £2500 for this apparantly.

Think items such as cambelt replacement is also engine out. Water pumps have been known to fail, not sure if this is an engine out though.

According to the guys over at RS246.com anything that involves an engine out is going to be £2000+

Turbos are prone to failure, some have gone around the 50,000 mark and some around the 120,000 mark, so no set time for this happening. Replace turbos you're looking at about £3000ish apparantly. Some have been known to blow two sets of turbos, one right after the others had been replaced.

Lots of other things but these two are the main expenses.

Obviously servicing and consumables and insurance will be much more expensive on this type of car, but if you're seriously looking for one you can afford these things anyway.

Head over to RS246.com if you're interested in getting one.
 
Cheers for the info :)

I want to keep the Mx in the garage only for weekend and warm weather usage so I'm seriously looking into replacing my current second car (2004 Clio) with something fast / large but powerfull, i can't drive a dull car so it has to be fun down the back roads and good for trips to the 'ring but also at home sitting on the motorway for work.
 
i had a 2005 s4, with the 4.2 engine for the most part of today and this evening. I know its not the 2.7, but its basically the same body. Very nice, quiet inside good stereo and solid interior.

If the gearbox is the same as the RS4 on the S4 2.7's then be carful, i helped kill an rs4 gearbox about 2 months ago :(
 
Firestar_3x said:
Cheers for the info :)

I want to keep the Mx in the garage only for weekend and warm weather usage so I'm seriously looking into replacing my current second car (2004 Clio) with something fast / large but powerfull, i can't drive a dull car so it has to be fun down the back roads and good for trips to the 'ring but also at home sitting on the motorway for work.

HI m8

You want something large and powerful then get something like a 3000GT unless you need the extra doors. :)
 
Hey fella,

what sort of costs did you inccour during ownership, from what i've read you loved the car and it was trouble free?

I've got several ideas in my head as to what i want, mainly it must deal with situations that the MX can't :)
 
Firestar_3x said:
Hey fella,

what sort of costs did you inccour during ownership, from what i've read you loved the car and it was trouble free?

I've got several ideas in my head as to what i want, mainly it must deal with situations that the MX can't :)

HI m8

It was a great car! :)
When I bought it had something like 48-51k can't remember exactly. It was a 1998, Full Mitsubishi Service History, Standard except for nice powerflow exhaust(stock look but nice rasp) and was it perfect mechanically condition. I paid £10,750 about 2.5 years ago. Was a good deal at the time.

During my ownership cost of ownership was practically zero, I serviced it as in changing oil every 3000 miles, though the service book suggest every 6000 but I just like changing oil, hehe.

When it got to about 63,000 I was getting clunking, especially when selecting reverse, from looking things up supposedly the propshaft mounts need changing. It was indeed these, approx £350 from Mitsubishi for genuine parts, I got the Mitsubishi genuine parts for £120 via one of the club specialist. Fitting was £50, and cost wise that was it, very reliable car.

In ownership of mine I fitted K&N CAI, DE-CAT Pipe, Forge Re-Circ Valve and EK2 downpipe. Not got a clue what power/torque they added but it felt like a damn lot, certainly more than the 20BHP you'd expect from those parts. The sound and acceleration/rush from the turbos was pretty damn amazing. Also with it been a twin turbo and the mods I made turbo lag was pretty much not there.

I G Metered mine stock and I got 5.1s 0-60 on a G meter with not the best launch. With the mods I did and a proper launch it would manage 4.5s, damn impressive for such a heavy car. Handling well it won't reward you like the MX-5 as the car drives itself, if you push too hard it just understeers, if the rear-end does come out then the 4WS corrects it etc. etc. However I never borred of driving the car, was always a thrill and the biggest plus point was that with the roads the way they are now I could mash the pedal everywhere I went, 4WD really is awsome in the wet/cold weather as you just go very quickly in the direction you point.

Things to watch out for are:-
Only get a UK car (more power - bigger turbos and much cheaper insurance) - If your 25-30, NCB you will insure one for around £400-£700
Gotta have full service history and preferably enthusiest owned
Check steering rack for leaks (big job and expensive to replace)
When cambelt service was done make sure water pump etc. was done too
If car has been lowered or suspension toyed with walk away, it normally wrecks tyre wear, especially on the front

Generally if they are looked after they can see over 100k on the clock without major issues but an abused example will empty your wallet.

I sold mine after owning it for 2 years for £7500 and took a BMW 525i SE, so approx 9k, so depreciation wise I did well.

There are some superb 1996-1999 examples around for under 10k and even some real nice ones for as little as 7k. Supercar looks, great grip, huge power, cheap insurance and good reliability for little money. In a straight line even a new M3 will be pushed to keep up with one, especially past a ton as the aero-dynamics of the 3000GT are a very strong point. They will cruise at 160mph quite happily and get there quickly.

Other one to look out for is the GTO-MR, weighs about 200-300kg less, similar power just a lot quicker and better handling. They have things like A/C, 4WS, Sunroof removed etc.
 
Nice write up Gibbo... :)


Still, if he needs something that can blend in, yet gain stares of wonder at the same time... :confused:


And carry lots of stuff... Vr4! :cool:
 
I was speaking to the guy who does my car for me (He's an ex-Derby Audi engine technician).

I told him I am looking at buying an S4 at some point next year and he basically said if you want a car for a bit of fun or wish to tune it heavily then go for the 2.7. If you want a superb cruiser with that sporty edge then go for the 4.2 V8. Obviously this isn't in your budget but the 2.7 should give you a lot of fun anyway. S4s don't really seem that common either it seems - I've seen more new shape RS4s in fact.

Unlike the 4.2, the 2.7 requires a cambelt change rather than having a chain drive. It has a similar set up to mine which is remove the front bumper, take the engine cover off and so on. Price for mine and a service was £630 - bearing in mind Audi wanted £900-1000 - £250ish was parts and £280 was labour plus the dreaded VAT

Service pricing isn't really that much different - tends to be around £200ish from an independant and £300 ish from Audi depending on what style service program you run on.

If anything goes wrong with it, be prepared for large bills. Myself and Gibbo have compared prices against his Mustang and mine and compared to each other, German parts are absolutely shocking in comparison to their American counterparts. Against the Japanese, I have no idea as I'm not a fan whatsoever.
 
Axeboy said:
Nice write up Gibbo... :)


Still, if he needs something that can blend in, yet gain stares of wonder at the same time... :confused:


And carry lots of stuff... Vr4! :cool:

Is the Galant VR4 the same engine and twin turbo as the 3000GT?

I know the VR4's are damn quick, kinda the more subtle looking EVO in my view but just as quick. :)
 
Gibbo said:
Is the Galant VR4 the same engine and twin turbo as the 3000GT?

I know the VR4's are damn quick, kinda the more subtle looking EVO in my view but just as quick. :)

No no, engine is 2.5 twin turbo. Its the other way round as well.

Is the gto all alloy? quad cam?
 
Slackworth said:
I was speaking to the guy who does my car for me (He's an ex-Derby Audi engine technician).

I told him I am looking at buying an S4 at some point next year and he basically said if you want a car for a bit of fun or wish to tune it heavily then go for the 2.7. If you want a superb cruiser with that sporty edge then go for the 4.2 V8. Obviously this isn't in your budget but the 2.7 should give you a lot of fun anyway.

Unlike the 4.2, the 2.7 requires a cambelt change rather than having a chain drive. It has a similar set up to mine which is remove the front bumper, take the engine cover off and so on. Price for mine and a service was £630 - bearing in mind Audi wanted £900-1000 - £250ish was parts and £280 was labour plus the dreaded VAT

Service pricing isn't really that much different - tends to be around £200ish from an independant and £300 ish from Audi depending on what style service program you run on.

If anything goes wrong with it, be prepared for large bills. Myself and Gibbo have compared prices against his Mustang and mine and compared to each other, German parts are absolutely shocking in comparison to their American counterparts. Against the Japanese, I have no idea as I'm not a fan whatsoever.

Hi m8

Difference is the Germans like to build cutting edge cars with the latest technology and cram it all under the bonnet in very tight spaces whilst building a car thats suitable for all.

The Americans on the other hand with the Mustang just bolt it together, bung in a big V8, use an old suspension setup with a few tweaks. Plus the way it sounds and looks scares most people or generates too much attention.

However advantage of the Mustang is that with a toolbox and ramps pulling apart is not so hard and unlike the Audi the Mustang is very simple and easy to work on in comparison.
The only servicable parts on the Mustang is engine oil, filter and keeping the suspension compoents lubricated. Its chain driven and designed to do lots of miles with little fuss and expense along the way. :)
 
Axeboy said:
No no, engine is 2.5 twin turbo. Its the other way round as well.

Is the gto all alloy? quad cam?

Yes m8 the 3000GT is a 3.0l V6 with twin turbos. Yes I believe it is quad cam too. Probably why the 3000GT is such a quick car as no doubt the engine and twin turbos give a lot more torque and at places in the power band where you need it. :)
 
I agree.

Same with the vr4...

Little to no lag, but power is superb from idle. Any gear it pulls, and i love the fact that pulling away in 5th at 30mph is so quick.

Torque, lots of it, across the rev range. :)
 
I agree with Penski. Want a £10k fast Audi? Get an RS2. Problem with the S4 like that is it's not quite the classic beast the RS2 was so it doesn't pull off the retro-cool, but it also isn't quite the RS4, so it simply looks like.... a really, really expensive £2k old-old shape A4.

RS2, or something like a VR4/540i :)

Or if you love that shape of A4 why not spend £3-4k on a decent 2.8 Quattro and have something almost as good for a third of the money?
 
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