Australia turns into totalitarian police state.

Australia is a very right wing place.

I think until we've got Nick Griffin on Dancing with the Stars, then compared to Australia we're more in the centre.
 
BowdonUK said:
Australia is a very right wing place.
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Most of the world has lurched towards authoritariasm/totalitarianism in their response to the pandemic. Is the whole world far right? is it just Sweden that is the last bastion of liberty?

Instead of getting caught up on left and right it's better to just call it what it is - authoritarianism/totalitarianism. Like I've said before the only political spectrum that matters has a big totalitarian government on one end and no government/total anarchy on the other, even the USA with all of its freedoms realised that you still need a small but limited government to protect peoples freedoms because with anarchy you'll have gangs, murder, theft etc. and you need a force for good (ie. police) to have monoply on power and a military or armed populace to defend those freedoms from outside forces.

Since WW2 all countries have seen a steady increase in the size and reach of government in peoples lives (whether they're seen as left or right) and on top of that corporations seem to have taken a more prominent role as well. All of it is antithetical to freedom. The left today are the worse as they overwhelmingly support and even cry out for corporate/government intervention into EVERYTHING, they cry Fascism all of the time but they are the ones begging for a system of authoritarianism/totalitarianism - as long as it suits them.
 
mmj_uk said:
Most of the world has lurched towards authoritariasm/totalitarianism in their response to the pandemic. Is the whole world far right? is it just Sweden that is the last bastion of liberty?

Instead of getting caught up on left and right it's better to just call it what it is - authoritarianism/totalitarianism. Like I've said before the only political spectrum that matters has a big totalitarian government on one end and no government/total anarchy on the other, even the USA with all of its freedoms realised that you still need a small but limited government to protect peoples freedoms because with anarchy you'll have gangs, murder, theft etc. and you need a force for good (ie. police) to have monoply on power and a military or armed populace to defend those freedoms from outside forces.

Since WW2 all countries have seen a steady increase in the size and reach of government in peoples lives (whether they're seen as left or right) and on top of that corporations seem to have taken a more prominent role as well. All of it is antithetical to freedom. The left today are the worse as they overwhelmingly support and even cry out for corporate/government intervention into EVERYTHING, they cry Fascism all of the time but they are the ones begging for a system of authoritarianism/totalitarianism - as long as it suits them.
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I think you're correct about moving away from the left/right paradigm because it can be confusing when a left wing party becomes the government, as in the old context they would become right wing (defender of the Crown etc) by default of being the ruling party.

For example technically speaking China, based on the original meaning of right and left would be considered right wing. But yet they are Communists and Communism is seen as being a left wing ideology.

It's a bit like the Taliban at the moment. They were seen as the terrorists. But as they transform in to the Afghan government how will they be referred to? A terrorist government doesn't sound like correct language.

When the rebel wins political power s/he is no longer a rebel.

Though I stand by my comment that Australia is more right wing, at least culturally. When we compare the different treatment Nick Griffin got in the UK to how Pauline Hanson, of the One Nation Party, gets on all these entertainment programmes. I think we can see how the balance culturally in Australia is more open to the extreme elements of the right. Though I will add, there is a few people on the left over there that wouldn't be tolerated here.
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-australia-still-liberal-democracy/619940/

the government of South Australia, one of the country’s six states, developed and is now testing an app as Orwellian as any in the free world to enforce its quarantine rules. Returning travelers quarantining at home will be forced to download an app that combines facial recognition and geolocation. The state will text them at random times, and thereafter they will have 15 minutes to take a picture of their face in the location where they are supposed to be. Should they fail, the local police department will be sent to follow up in person. “We don’t tell them how often or when, on a random basis they have to reply within 15 minutes,” Premier Steven Marshall explained. “I think every South Australian should feel pretty proud that we are the national pilot for the home-based quarantine app.”
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Roar87 said:
Left-wing Authoritarianism, they feel so righteous and correct in doing what they do because they view those who disagree with them as evil. Very dangerous ideology.
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You do realise its a right wing government in Australia? Murdoch practically runs the country and he is about as anti left wing as it gets.
 
mmj_uk said:
Most of the world has lurched towards authoritariasm/totalitarianism in their response to the pandemic. Is the whole world far right? is it just Sweden that is the last bastion of liberty?

Instead of getting caught up on left and right it's better to just call it what it is - authoritarianism/totalitarianism. Like I've said before the only political spectrum that matters has a big totalitarian government on one end and no government/total anarchy on the other, even the USA with all of its freedoms realised that you still need a small but limited government to protect peoples freedoms because with anarchy you'll have gangs, murder, theft etc. and you need a force for good (ie. police) to have monoply on power and a military or armed populace to defend those freedoms from outside forces.

Since WW2 all countries have seen a steady increase in the size and reach of government in peoples lives (whether they're seen as left or right) and on top of that corporations seem to have taken a more prominent role as well. All of it is antithetical to freedom. The left today are the worse as they overwhelmingly support and even cry out for corporate/government intervention into EVERYTHING, they cry Fascism all of the time but they are the ones begging for a system of authoritarianism/totalitarianism - as long as it suits them.
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Sweden is nothing like the UK, Australia or the USA. People took precautions themselves meaning an official lockdown wasn't necessary like it was here. They socially distanced, they wore masks, they were sensible, something the general pubic in the UK is incapable of doing. They still had higher deaths and hospitalisations than all their neighbours that did lockdown though. If the UK public could actually do the right thing without being told they have to, it would be a far better country. Sadly there is too high a percentage of idiots here.
 
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