Australian Grand Prix 2011, Albert Park Circuit - Race 1/19

Apparently Red Bull might have a KERS system only for the start of the race, which would be a very clever interpretation of the rules.

All KERS equipped cars start with a fully charged battery for the start. So apparently RBR have installed a light weight battery 'KERS' system for the start of the race and then presumably haven't bothered with the kinetic recovery part from the brakes, therefore not having to bother with the negative aspect of messing with brake bias. This should mean there is less likelihood of their tyres locking up and flat spotting.


Oh and the stewards have decided not to let HRT race tomorrow. Thank god.
 
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Not much has changed since last season despite all the changes, Ferrari have surprisingly lost ground considering how close they were back end of last season, McLaren have replaced them as Red Bull's nearest rivals and Vettel is still is in a class of his own with the Red Bull car... oh and Rosberg is still schooling MS.
 
Last time we had kers therexwas a lot of comment about weight balance. Shorter drivers were moved forward in the car on some tracks to offset the kers rear end mass. Tall drivers like webber didn't have this option. Does anyone think this might be an issue this year?
 
Shimmy said:
Apparently Red Bull might have a KERS system only for the start of the race, which would be a very clever interpretation of the rules.

All KERS equipped cars start with a fully charged battery for the start. So apparently RBR have installed a light weight battery 'KERS' system for the start of the race and then presumably haven't bothered with the kinetic recovery part from the brakes, therefore not having to bother with the negative aspect of messing with brake bias. This should mean there is less likelihood of their tyres locking up and flat spotting.


Oh and the stewards have decided not to let HRT race tomorrow. Thank god.
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Interesting :eek:
 
Shimmy said:
Oh and the stewards have decided not to let HRT race tomorrow. Thank god.
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Thank God indeed. And the stewards. (edit - how long before HRT goes the way of the dodo and we get a profile of them on F1 Rejects? Place your bets!)

mmj_uk said:
oh and Rosberg is still schooling MS.
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0.106 seconds quicker in Q1, 0.365 seconds quicker in Q2. Hardly 'schooling' him is it?

Petrov being 1.696 seconds quicker than Heidfeld in Q1 - that's 'schooling' :)
 
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utajoker said:
mite be a bit easier to compare like this.

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it is definitely closer to the ground, but the centre flat piece of the wing is also lower to the ground so it mite not be flexing as much as it seems.
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Could it be that the whole front nose is flexing some how?
 
Good qually, think Vettel to get Pole was nigh on a dead cert, but the rest was interesting, well done to Hamilton and Button getting up there, as well as Petrov and Koba, both looking good. Shall be an interesting race and I can't wait to see how the tyres go.


Shimmy said:
Apparently Red Bull might have a KERS system only for the start of the race, which would be a very clever interpretation of the rules.

All KERS equipped cars start with a fully charged battery for the start. So apparently RBR have installed a light weight battery 'KERS' system for the start of the race and then presumably haven't bothered with the kinetic recovery part from the brakes, therefore not having to bother with the negative aspect of messing with brake bias. This should mean there is less likelihood of their tyres locking up and flat spotting.


Oh and the stewards have decided not to let HRT race tomorrow. Thank god.
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Very interesting if true, got a source for this information?
 
I thought any energy, even that off the start line had to be gathered during the warm up lap? ie. you can't 'pre charge' the KERS so they'd still need the systems to charge it etc.?
 
Kenai said:
I thought any energy, even that off the start line had to be gathered during the warm up lap? ie. you can't 'pre charge' the KERS so they'd still need the systems to charge it etc.?
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IIRC they allowed precharging because ensuring that a battery is totally drained is too difficult to make rules around. I.e. often totally discharging a battery actually damages it.
 
Good news that HRT had their request to race rejected. I have no idea how they managed to build a worse car than last years "GP2" car.
 
Shimmy said:
Apparently Red Bull might have a KERS system only for the start of the race, which would be a very clever interpretation of the rules.

All KERS equipped cars start with a fully charged battery for the start. So apparently RBR have installed a light weight battery 'KERS' system for the start of the race and then presumably haven't bothered with the kinetic recovery part from the brakes, therefore not having to bother with the negative aspect of messing with brake bias. This should mean there is less likelihood of their tyres locking up and flat spotting.
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:eek: Now that is pure genius! Combined with their long run pace I can see this being a very boring season.

utajoker said:
mite be a bit easier to compare like this.

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it is definitely closer to the ground, but the centre flat piece of the wing is also lower to the ground so it mite not be flexing as much as it seems.
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Clearly something is "flexing" or moving at the front of the Red Bull. I just don't get how the other teams STILL haven't worked this one out. Plus, that is the only thing we can see on the car, I bet there is other equally novel equipment on there.
 
Duke said:
Good news that HRT had their request to race rejected. I have no idea how they managed to build a worse car than last years "GP2" car.
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It pretty much is the car from last year. They've changed a few bits and pieces to comply with regulation changes, and it now has the Williams gearbox (I wouldn't be too shocked if the cheque for those bounces....) but the nosecone, the airbox, most of the sidepods, the crash structure of the monocoque....it's pretty much exactly the same starting money special that they had in 2010.

Except now you can't even call it a starting money special now.

Since it won't start a race.

Got to admire them for putting such a brave spin on things though. It takes real guts to look at the reality in front of you and subtitute it for one in which today was a great success....
 
FrankJH said:
would KERS be useful out of the pits - if so with the multiple stops per car, this could be a slight disadvantage for RB also
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Doubt it, only accelerating into a corner after all. Will be interesting on safety cars though! If somebody can peg the RBR they could do them on the straights with DRS.
 
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SoliD said:
Doubt it, only accelerating into a corner. Will be interesting on safety cars though! If somebody can peg the RBR they could do them on the straights with DRS.
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Good point. Pity that most of the current F1 drivers are utterly lousy at restarts from behind the safety car....about time they started making those guys watch tapes from American racing series, get them some pointers in the right direction!
 
Regarding DBR's start only KERS system surely it doesn't count as a KERS as the car doesn't recharge the system, if the batter is charged in parc-ferme for the start only then shouldn't the system just count as a battery and motor not KERS?
 
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