Australian Grand Prix 2011, Albert Park Circuit - Race 1/19

Shimmy · 24 Mar 2011 at 11:24

dannyjo22 said:
None because it won't arm.

Not strictly true. All cars will be fitted with a manual over ride in case the automated system becomes faulty.

If this was used when not permitted a penalty would be issued that would at the very least eradicate any time gained.

DRZ · 24 Mar 2011 at 11:26

deuse said:
What a silly place to put it!
Turn 14 is a tight turn with gravel run off on the small straight leading to a very slow turn 15(pit entrance) then leading to turn 16. If you go outside of the racing line(turn 16)
your done for as you will go on to the grass and gravel.

What they should have done is have it start just before turn 12
turn it off at the very slight bend after turn 12 and make the run off after turn 12 bigger.

I think you misunderstand the rules here.

Turn 14 is the measurement point - you must be within the stipulated time of the car in front (1.5s I think it is now) when you cross that line. At turn 16 you can push the button if you wish to activate the rear wing.

Mr Jack · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:20

dannyjo22 said:
I just wish you could only use it in the race and not in qualifying. The idea is for over taking and there isn't any in quallies. All you will have is drivers doing qfy constantly trimming the wing.

I like that it's available in quali personally, I think it means we'll see a bit more mixing of the grid from the drivers (and/or cars) with the ability to use it well gaining an advantage over near rivals.

Mr Jack · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:21

Shimmy said:
Not strictly true. All cars will be fitted with a manual over ride in case the automated system becomes faulty.

If this was used when not permitted a penalty would be issued that would at the very least eradicate any time gained.

So there's no formal statement of the punishment for misuse then? How do the drivers know it's available for use? Is there a light on the steering wheel or something?

Shimmy · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:27

Mr Jack said:
So there's no formal statement of the punishment for misuse then? How do the drivers know it's available for use? Is there a light on the steering wheel or something?

Not that I know of, depends how long the over ride was used for I guess. Probably lies with the stewards to decide at each given race.

I'm pretty sure there is a light on the wheel but not 100% certain, maybe radio. I know there's meant to be graphic on the TV that shows when a driver behind can use DRS.

tummelv · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:36

The movable wing looks interesting placement for this track. Hopefully some good overtaking in the race.

Maybe if mclaren isn't up to pace in the corners they can use their straight line speed on the straight with the Kers/wing combo.

deuse · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:39

DRZ said:
I think you misunderstand the rules here.

Turn 14 is the measurement point - you must be within the stipulated time of the car in front (1.5s I think it is now) when you cross that line. At turn 16 you can push the button if you wish to activate the rear wing.

So it's for turn 16 where no one will have no chance of overtaking. Turn 12 would be better.

Ah I see what you mean about the rules. well detection just before turn 11 then Activation just before turn 12.

tummelv · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:43

No once you exit turn 16 the wing will be deactivated for the straight which gives a speed advantage of ~10km/h.

SoliD · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:45

I think the wing could prove interesting in quali, as if they misjudge it and go piling into a corner with it open, or closing it too late they could outbrake themselves, could create some interesting grid positions if the battle for the front row is very tight!

Shimmy · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:51

SoliD said:
I think the wing could prove interesting in quali, as if they misjudge it and go piling into a corner with it open, or closing it too late they could outbrake themselves, could create some interesting grid positions if the battle for the front row is very tight!

No real danger with them going into a corner with the reduced rear wing angle by accident, the wing goes back to normal the moment they let go of the DRS button due to air pressure. They can of course choose to use DRS during some corners if they don't lose too much rear end grip, something that RBR has been seen doing in winter testing.

SoliD · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:53

Shimmy said:
No real danger with them going into a corner with the reduced rear wing angle by accident, the wing goes back to normal the moment they let go of the DRS button due to air pressure. They can of course choose to use DRS during some corners if they don't lose too much rear end grip, something that RBR has been seen doing in winter testing.

It isn't going to be instantaneous though is it surely? It will take split seconds to move which in F1 could be the difference in a braking zone.

tummelv · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:54

Can it be used unlimited times over a qualifying lap? So every little straight will see them hit the drag reduction button?

smr · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:57

stoke1863 said:
so even though that website is saying it itsnt in your area you can deffo get BBC HD?

hmm might get a HD box if this is the case

EDIT: sorry you are talking about Freesat and not freeview HD

I'm a FreeSat (not freeview ) customer

edit - woops, will teach me to read all of your post !

Mr Jack · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:57

deuse said:
So it's for turn 16 where no one will have no chance of overtaking. Turn 12 would be better.

No. It's for the start/finish straight. Moving the activation line before corner 16 lets the drivers activate the moment they come onto the straight.

Shimmy · 24 Mar 2011 at 12:58

SoliD said:
It isn't going to be instantaneous though is it surely? It will take split seconds to move which in F1 could be the difference in a braking zone.

Will be negligible imo, can't see it being noticeable.

tummelv said:
Can it be used unlimited times over a qualifying lap? So every little straight will see them hit the drag reduction button?

Yup, at any point. Even corners.

Duke · 24 Mar 2011 at 13:25

Thursday paddock pics - http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/03/24/2011-australian-grand-prix-thursday-pictures-2/

tummelv · 24 Mar 2011 at 13:33

Shimmy said:
Yup, at any point. Even corners.

Interesting! I hope there will be a graphic on the tv so when they are following the onboard camera feeds you can see the wing when it's on and off.

Although you could just watch the driver's hand.

Masterdog · 24 Mar 2011 at 14:13

Yeah there will be a graphic apparently (can't remember where I heard it but there will be).

dannyjo22 · 24 Mar 2011 at 14:54

Shimmy said:
Not strictly true. All cars will be fitted with a manual over ride in case the automated system becomes faulty.

If this was used when not permitted a penalty would be issued that would at the very least eradicate any time gained.

I wasn't talking about failures we were discussing normal use. In normal use it will be automated if the car is close enough to the car infront at a certain time.

Mr Jack said:
So there's no formal statement of the punishment for misuse then? How do the drivers know it's available for use? Is there a light on the steering wheel or something?

I'm presuming there is a light because the only other way they will know the system is armed is if the pitwall tell them, which could get messy. Plus it will show a graphic on tv so I'm assuming they will automatically put a light on the steering wheel.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/...charlie-whiting-spells-out-rear-wing-rulings/

deuse · 24 Mar 2011 at 15:38

Mr Jack said:
No. It's for the start/finish straight. Moving the activation line before corner 16 lets the drivers activate the moment they come onto the straight.

Thanks for putting me right

Still can't see it working