Australian Grand Prix 2014, Melbourne - Race 1/19

I really enjoyed the race, great seeing them actually ragging them round as apposed to the on-rails kinda driving.. oh and love the fact you can hear a lot more mechanical stuff onboard.. the cars bottoming out etc.. not a fan that you can hear the tyre squeals though :p
 
JRS said:
I don't see why that would be a problem, provided that the racing behind them is actually enjoyable. What we had for the second half of last year was Vettel walking it and a deeply uninteresting championship behind him, which is of course something to be avoided. But now we've got unreliable, twitchy cars that haven't yet been developed to perfection. We've got technical rules that (engine layout moaning aside, I've obviously lost that battle!) at the very least offer something rather more interesting than Happy Fun Time With Diffusers™. We've got rookies in (so far) good cars, experienced drivers in (so far) lesser ones. Hell, until the Ricciardo penalty wasn't that the first podium without a current or former champion on it for a few years?

If Rosberg goes on a string of easy wins and takes the title incredibly early, I won't feel short-changed. Sure, a battle for the title is a good thing - but it counts for ****-all if the actual racing is as fun to watch as cancer.
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Agreed.

I like that KERS has a bigger role this year. It means that when RBR's KERS breaks it actually makes a difference - I reckon this will hurt them over the coming seasons.

This fuel issue makes me wonder about all the other stuff they have gotten away with. Biggest cheaters on the grid imo.
 
Part and parcel of F1, it's not cheating unless you get caught.

I just hope downforce doesn't improve to such an extent, we go back to aero dependency rather than the mechanical grip dependency we have atm.
 
Shame for Daniel but just something else to add to the list of reasons for me hating the redbullnteam.

Pure arrogance that they get told to fix the issue by the FIA but simply chose to ignore them because they thought they woule get away with it.

Seriously hate the team, massive shame for Ricciardo
 
To echo everyone else, its a big shame for Ricciardo, but it looks like red bull don't have a leg to stand on. They seem to think that the fuel flow sensor failed and for some reason they didn't follow the mandated procedure for a failed fuel flow sensor, despite being directly asked to by the FIA. Also, with all the reliability problems the Renault engines have been having, I find it far more likely that the Renault fuel flow model isn't quite right in all situations for the red bull, rather than both sensors being fitted to the red bull being fitted incorrectly.
 
Do RB fit these sensors, and govern the fuel flow rate, or is that a function of the Renault engine build?

They basically turned the dial to 11, when everyone else had it at 10?
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Do RB fit these sensors, and govern the fuel flow rate, or is that a function of the Renault engine build?

They basically turned the dial to 11, when everyone else had it at 10?
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It's an FIA homologated part (like the ecu etc). It's just a sensor - it doesn't govern flow rate, it just measures it. RB have control over the actual fuel rate (fuel pump voltage, fuel rail pressure, injector opening times etc).
 
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Fuel flow is how the FIA are limiting power. There's no boost limit on the turbo in the regulations. Renault stated it's effectively 3.5 bar due to the fuel flow limit.
 
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Skeeter said:
'Even' slower? They were the fastest car thats not a Mercedes.

Be interesting to know if increased fuel flow actually made the car faster?
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Is it likely we will get this info?
It's incredibly important to know if DR was there by merit or by extra power
 
Skeeter said:
'Even' slower? They were the fastest car thats not a Mercedes.

Be interesting to know if increased fuel flow actually made the car faster?
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From my very limited knowledge of engines, not only does an increased fuel flow give more power to the engine on its own (up to a point of course), it also allows for the engine to run at settings which would give even more power that would not work with a lower fuel flow.
 
deuse said:
You better hope they find out what happened as they MAY share it with other Merc teams.

But I believe Merc are 1.5 seconds faster over a single lap and 0.5 faster in race mode.
As long as they get the WCC I don't mind.
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We dont actually know to be fair how much faster Merc is to Mclaren / Williams ( with FI being slightly slower) and unfortunately much slower cars can still hold up faster ones - like the Hulk train - for long periods.

Even Ricciardo was holding up KM for a number of laps

If we can get Merc, Williams and McLaren all at the front of the grid for the next race it will be clearer to see how far ahead the Silver Arrows are.

Edit - the daily mail is claiming the RBR gained 8bhp using their flow rate.
 
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I feel for Ricciardo but when K-Mag turned the power down DR waltzed away.

Shame on RB. DR must be feeling pretty low atm.
 
Respect to Ricciardo, lovely guy, great driver. Nevertheless, I don't want another Redbull runaway success story this year. I want a brit to win! Button will be promoted to 3rd, (and thus, a pity he didn't get to celebrate on the podium), and get more points, if RBR lose their appeal.

Also, Vettel went out, but notice how it's another bloody german who takes poll and then wins the race. :p
 
al4x said:
Is it likely we will get this info?
It's incredibly important to know if DR was there by merit or by extra power
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Reaper 392 said:
From my very limited knowledge of engines, not only does an increased fuel flow give more power to the engine on its own (up to a point of course), it also allows for the engine to run at settings which would give even more power that would not work with a lower fuel flow.
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I suppose it depends on how far they exeeced the fuel flow limit. If it was 100.1kg/h then it will have made very little or no difference. But 120kg/h would be a big boost.
 
MarcLister said:
Hamilton took pole. And he ain't German! :p
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With regards to the "yet another German" comments, I was surprised to realise the other day that there has only ever been 2 German WDCs. Considering the volume of German drivers through the years I was quite surprised.

If looking at F1 history the response should be "yet another Brit". We totally dominate the stats.
 
Skeeter said:
I suppose it depends on how far they exeeced the fuel flow limit. If it was 100.1kg/h then it will have made very little or no difference. But 120kg/h would be a big boost.
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As above - its being reported RBR were gaining 8 BHP (which in itself is nothing, but as these cars are difficult enough to over take even when the cars are level on performance - due to aero - .....)
 
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