Australian Grand Prix 2014, Melbourne - Race 1/19

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Organisers of the Australian GP think the quieter noise produced by the new V6 engines could be in breach of their F1 contract and have complained to Bernie Ecclestone.

Sunday's race marked the start of a new era for grand prix racing with the high-pitched scream of the 2.4 litre V8 engines used between 2006 and 2013 replaced by a deeper growl of 1.6 turbocharged V6 units. Crowd noise and tyre squeal was noticeably more audible than in previous seasons.


http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/1...uieter-engine-noise-could-breach-fom-contract
 
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Organisers of the Australian GP think the quieter noise produced by the new V6 engines could be in breach of their F1 contract and have complained to Bernie Ecclestone.

Sunday's race marked the start of a new era for grand prix racing with the high-pitched scream of the 2.4 litre V8 engines used between 2006 and 2013 replaced by a deeper growl of 1.6 turbocharged V6 units. Crowd noise and tyre squeal was noticeably more audible than in previous seasons.


http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/1...uieter-engine-noise-could-breach-fom-contract

I liked the fact you could hear the tire squeal and other noises. I will however admit that they could do with being a little louder though. If we can get a happy balance between the car sound and environmental sounds it would be perfect IMO.

Blackvault
 
Maybe it is just me but I can't understand this volume arguement. Each to their own of if they like the sound but whether it is a 'good' or 'bad' sound is nothing to do with volume. It's like saying 'I really like this song but it would be even better if it was louder', running that anology further it is the lyrics, the notes, harmonies, chords etc. which make the song good, making it louder doesn't make any of them better.

I can think of many pro's for the quieter car's: Can hold interviews in the pits, can hear other car sounds, can hear the crowd, car radio's are clearer, crowd don't have to have ear protection. I really can't think of any genuinue cons though.
 
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Have you only just heard of the Daily Mail? :eek:
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Well done for avoiding the question.

and no, my father used to work for them in a legal capacity.



So well done for adding exactly nothing to the discussion.

I can think of many pro's for the quieter car's: Can hold interviews in the pits, can hear other car sounds, can hear the crowd, car radio's are clearer, crowd don't have to have ear protection. I really can't think of any genuinue cons though.

It may not matter so much watching from home but its very strange indeed going to a motor race and the noise of the race being so singular in direction.

I was lucky enough to go to the 1st Indy GP of recent years as well as a Melbourne event a few years later (to name a couple) and no matter where the cars are on track, you FELT there was a motor race going on and therefore felt a part of it.

With the new engines, when the cars are at the far end of the lap , you could be outside a church (or in a graveyard if you like lol) and for me that is a huge loss.
 
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The quiet sound of the new engines makes it seem less of an "event" if you ask me...or at least less special. I like the onboard sound as you can here all the wizzes , whooshes and whistles e.t.c but the noise is very boring and mundane everywhere else.
 
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I was lucky enough to go to the 1st Indy GP of recent years as well as a Melbourne event a few years later (to name a couple) and no matter where the cars are on track, you FELT there was a motor race going on and therefore felt a part of it.

With the new engines, when the cars are at the far end of the lap , you could be outside a church (or in a graveyard if you like lol) and for me that is a huge loss.

When I was little we used to live about six miles away from Silverstone.

During the F1 weekend we could mute the TV, open the windows and hear the cars going around the track. :cool:
 
With regards to the "yet another German" comments, I was surprised to realise the other day that there has only ever been 2 German WDCs. Considering the volume of German drivers through the years I was quite surprised.

If looking at F1 history the response should be "yet another Brit". We totally dominate the stats.
Yeah, if Schumacher and Vettel weren't champions, Germany would have no representation at all. When you think of Heidfeld, Nico Rosberg, Frentzen, Glock, Hulkenberg, Ralf Schumacher, Sutil as German drivers I can think of in the time I've been following F1, there's an awful lot of German representation yet none of them are world champions. There's all the other Germans from before my time of following F1 to think of as well. Perhaps German drivers weren't that popular in F1 for a while after 1945? Can't think why mind you!

In the first season of F1, 1950, there was only one German driver. Quite a few Frenchmen, Brits and Italians!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950_Formula_One_season
 
Slightly OT but Here's a pic of Jan and Kev. :)
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Watched the Aus GP and have to say was bored silly :(

Cars sound rubbish , and everyone banging on about saving fuel , tyres and driving for reliability. I thought this was supposed be racing ?

Sorry but i'm out !!
 
I thought something was up when Mag was told to "yellow g2" or something and back off to save fuel for 3 laps then attack on the final two laps whilst DR was told to "press the buttons" and keep up the pace.

Couldn't quite work out why RB could do that but Mclaren couldn't... I guess now we know why. It's a shame for DR, very cool guy who didn't deserve for RB to be underhand like that.

Shame for Mag as well though as he did really well to cut the gap between him and DR to less than a second. The Mclaren, as Brundle put it, looked "handy"... definitely had more outright pace than the RB at that stage.

Not sure what you're talking about, Mag needed to save a little fuel and didn't have enough to be G2 to the end of the race, or so they thought. DR moved away as he didn't have to turn the fuel down, this has nothing at all to do with the flow rate, they still didn't use over 100kg of fuel, this was a having enough fuel at the end issue. If anything using a higher rate of fuel and pushing the engine that little bit faster at the highest end is not hugely efficient and would have used slightly more fuel.

All it suggests is that Riccy actually either used fuel more effectively throughout the race or, the Renault for all we know could be a very efficient engine, it could be more efficient(but maybe slower) than the Mercedes. Riccy is more experienced and may simply have saved a lot more fuel. Drivers have spoken about coasting in to corners saving a lot of fuel. While Mag dropped back earlier in the race and he had the gap Mag may have been pushing hard to catch up while Riccy was coasting in to corners and giving himself more fuel for the end of the race.

The question about efficiency is, well, insanely complex. i'd like to hear from teams/Ted later in the year if teams find the slipstream effect good for fuel saving, or if the engine/car loses more efficiency from lower downforce and working harder, maybe hotter engine/batteries being less efficient.


Because Renault had so little running with any teams you expect to be genuinely fast(Lotus/RBR), we don't really know how fast or good that engine is, nor a real idea of efficiency in comparison to the Merc. It may be more efficient, or worse, we get the impression its much slower but maybe in race pace it's efficiency means it doesn't have to save as much. Though the difference between say Rosberg suggest the Merc can't be that inefficient as at no time did he have to end up slower than anyone else to save fuel after blasting away.

Either way, the issue at the end of the race was fuel left on board, not rate of fuel flow.
 
I'm sorry but I also think the cars sound utterly rubbish. Like properly crap, it's just a drone.

Having said that, I love the new sideways action we seem to be getting. Monaco might well be absolute carnage. :D
 
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Organisers of the Australian GP think the quieter noise produced by the new V6 engines could be in breach of their F1 contract and have complained to Bernie Ecclestone.]



The track owners world wide told Bernie that if the sound was crap he would be in trouble
and he promised them all would be ok. Either the commentators keep their voice down
or take a leaf from the snooker commentators. As a hard of hearing person
I had my head phones on but when I turned up the volume the commentators drowned the car sound out.

Or do what they do in Nascar and pump up the engine sound. The cars sound like someone snoring or farting

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112973 a good read about RBS
 
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The track owners world wide told Bernie that if the sound was crap he would be in trouble
and he promised them all would be ok. Either the commentators keep their voice down
or take a leaf from the snooker commentators. As a hard of hearing person
I had my head phones on but when I turned up the volume the commentators drowned the car sound out.

Or do what they do in Nascar and pump up the engine sound. The cars sound like someone snoring or farting

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112973 a good read about RBS

RBS ?
 
The track owners world wide told Bernie that if the sound was crap he would be in trouble
and he promised them all would be ok. Either the commentators keep their voice down
or take a leaf from the snooker commentators. As a hard of hearing person
I had my head phones on but when I turned up the volume the commentators drowned the car sound out.

Or do what they do in Nascar and pump up the engine sound. The cars sound like someone snoring or farting

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112973 a good read about RBS
...or just offer a "no-commentary" video feed via the red button?.

Seriously, the engines are the engines. Learn to live with it, or watch something else.

I like the fact that they sound different. More so that each engine supplier has it's own unique sound, because it varies it up. The commentary "drowning" out the audio is only a problem with 2 channel audio, in my experience.
 
If we can get a happy balance between the car sound and environmental sounds it would be perfect IMO.

Blackvault

Yeah it should be easier for vettel to hear the booing now.

Not a fan of this lack of engine noise but it is what it is and I will get used to it. As I did with all the engine reg changes. I still prefer this to the god awful traction control sound.
 
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