Australian Grand Prix 2014, Melbourne - Race 1/19

robbiemc said:
I remember those days. Can you imagine the cornering speeds they would produce coupled with todays knowledge of aero and tyre technology? frightening.
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It was worse pre-1983. Back then they were running skirts, which literally sucked the car onto the track. Skirts + Turbos = dangerous. :eek:
 
deuse said:
Obviously you're not hard of hearing(which is good)the commentators are drowning what little engine sound there is.

The V8s was loud and I had no problem hearing them :)
But imagine losing 70% of your hearing then trying to tune your guitar ;)

Anyway back on topic.
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I'm clinically deaf in one ear, and still managed to complete a degree in Sound Technology, oh and I play the guitar, if that helps ;)

englishpremier said:
How do you think the sound stage should be set up?

Usually vocals/dialouge would be dleivered via the centre channel. Of course the engines are mono (when on board anyway) so should come out the rear centre. I guess many people have 5.1 systems though, so that would leave the engine coming from left and right rear, which might sound strange.

I don't deny that the noise of an event can add to the experience, but when all is said and done, engine noise is just a waste product.
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Personally, I think the 2 channel audio "downmix", if you want to call it that, puts the commentary well above the background audio.

I'll have to listen at the current 5.1 mix, but I'm sure the engine noise isn't fixed to a dedicated channel(s). They could get around the mono source of the engine noise, by doubling up and panning the audio, but like I say, I'd have to listen again.

It also doesn't help that average joe hasn't calibrated their speaker levels, so the centre speaker may well be as much as 6dB too loud "out of the box", which doesn't help. Mine has been calibrated, and I didn't think it was an issue when I watched the race live in 5.1, although I've always thought the commentary team talks too much, anyway.
 
Skeeter said:
The teams have raised concerns that the tip of the nose is now well below the height of the rear crash structure.

Its solved the T bone issue but created another. I can see the rules being changed for next year, mandating higher and wider noses.
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Is this a result of the Kobayashi Maru, sorry, Massa incident? Or is this just a general complaint? Would love to see the horrible noses go if the rules are changed to make them safer.
 
Oh almost forgot to say, and I notice a couple of people have already brushed on it but it's nice to see the tyres not falling to bits, there's still a certain amount of marbles but nothing ridiculous and it's so nice to see the drivers not having to slow down to save them.

After the first race at least, it looks like Pirelli have done a spot on job of delivering decent tyres this year, I'm sure they'll be happy to have the press off their backs too!
 
Mr Jack said:
The "safe" low nose is already looking like a really bad idea. The way Massa's car rode up the front of Kobi's was really worrying. A bit more speed and that could easily have resulted in the back of Massa's car connecting with Kobi's head.
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Yeah, after watching Davidson and Herbert talking about it post race it does look like it could have quite serious consequences at high speed etc.

I had a horrible thought as soon as they did that piece.... all cars with Ferrari 'Hoover' noses :(:eek:
 
smr said:
Oh almost forgot to say, and I notice a couple of people have already brushed on it but it's nice to see the tyres not falling to bits, there's still a certain amount of marbles but nothing ridiculous and it's so nice to see the drivers not having to slow down to save them.

After the first race at least, it looks like Pirelli have done a spot on job of delivering decent tyres this year, I'm sure they'll be happy to have the press off their backs too!
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A few people have complained about tyre saving, but I can't remember any radio messages about it? There were a few about fuel saving, but even that didn't feel like many given that this is a fuel heavy track?

Feels like a step in the right direction with the tyres.
 
Alonso was sat in Hulkenberg's slipstream for half the race, so he didn't seem to bothered about protecting the tyres.

We'll see further into the year when the cars are have been fettled with and those finite margins return. We'll still have races where the tyres fall apart a bit quicker than they do at other tracks, so I'm sure we'll see it at some point.
 
Skeeter said:
I'd like to think Honda coming back might tempt Toyota back too. The F1 engine is also compatable with the new Le Mans rules.
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Hadnt realised that, thank you for that nugget.


Toyota were so heavily trounced the last time they attempted (which from a corporate point of view was like yesterday) I would be surprised to see them any time soon (and surely we would have heard by now if they were thinking about it for the '16 season?)

The only thing to counter the above is that they made the Honda mistake and last came in in their own right as a constructor which was too much too fast. Just as an engine supplier might be easier to stomach
 
Does anyone know the reasoning behind the fuel-flow rules? It just seems an incredibly contrived and error-prone method of reducing performance / improving MPG.

Why don't they just limit it to a specific fuel load?
 
Baboonanza said:
Does anyone know the reasoning behind the fuel-flow rules? It just seems an incredibly contrived and error-prone method of reducing performance / improving MPG.

Why don't they just limit it to a specific fuel load?
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They do have a fuel load limit also, which is 100kg for the race. So on average over the time of a race no car can exceed the 100kg/h or else they would not finish. The 100kg/h seems to be more of an idea to limit top end performace which is mainly going to be quali though couldbe times in the race a team might want to exceed it.
 
robbiemc said:
I remember those days. Can you imagine the cornering speeds they would produce coupled with todays knowledge of aero and tyre technology? frightening.
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Have a Google for a sketch Gordon Murray did for Motorsport magazine of a "no rules" F1 car. 1500 bhp with active areo...

He even went as far as speccing a g-suit for the driver!
 
rpstewart said:
Have a Google for a sketch Gordon Murray did for Motorsport magazine of a "no rules" F1 car. 1500 bhp with active areo...

He even went as far as speccing a g-suit for the driver!
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I've been wodering recently if you could do a drive-by-wire formula with unlimited tech since the primarly problems are driver safety and human endurance (besides money of course).

I would guess reaction time would be a bit of a problem but it would be interesting to see, though possibly not very entertaining :)
 
smr said:
Bernie Ecclestone says he was "horrified" by the lack of sound from the 2014 F1 cars at Sunday's Australian Grand Prix and has vowed to find a way of "making them sound like racing cars".

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/1...-sound-from-the-2014-f1-cars-at-australian-gp
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I'm not sure much can be done this year. Ron Denis was on Chris Evan's Breakfast show on Radio2 this morning and he said that the engine would need to rev higher to produce more noise. This means that they'd need to consume more fuel which means bigger fuel tanks. Also other changes to the engines and turbos would be needed. He thought it would be at least 2015 before any of that would happen. I can't see any easy fix for this myself either.

Blackvault
 
This is an interesting comparison between AUS 2013 and 2014. As much as I like the new sound in isolation, the "show" has definitely lost a lot of appeal when a whole load of cars is going past...


It makes missing a trip to Silverstone this year a little more bearable.
 
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