Australian Grand Prix 2015, Melbourne - Race 1/19

Skeeter said:
I was gonna say, armchair experts aside, the "several hundred" actual experts have managed to build a car capable of coming... last.

How do they compare to the times of last year, when all the other engines were new (ignoring qualifying as it was wet).
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Because it was wet it's hard to say, but I'm under the impression teams did times in the 1:29's at least in free practice. You would presume those were basically at your usually high but not quite top settings reserved for Q3. We would likely have seen a 1:28.xxx pole last year in the dry.

Is there a good site that had the data formula1.com showed, ie easy to access times from fp1-3, qualifying and race from drop down choices? formula1 went from a great resource to an utter pile of turd, it's barely usable, no apparent link to any past results and horrible to use. :(
 
Skeeter said:
I was gonna say, armchair experts aside, the "several hundred" actual experts have managed to build a car capable of coming... last.

How do they compare to the times of last year, when all the other engines were new (ignoring qualifying as it was wet).
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The argument i have seen lodged is that Mclarens power running limitations werent the correct way forward today...
 
smr said:
we are talking about their current situation. a race distance hasnt even been completed with this new package. What would you have done differently to them today?
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Err the engine was crap in Dubai last year, they should have done a better job in the mean time, so much for detail and high tech.
 
Even with an optimistic view and a McLaren fan, I'm somewhat disappointed at how little McLaren Honda have developed since testing. I'm sure they feel the same.

However, unless some here are F1 power-train engineers, then I'm comfortable coming to the conclusion that Honda and McLaren have more far information and expertise that anyone here. They haven't achieved much, but that just shows how hard it is. This isn't a brand new company saying 'hey, how hard can it be, sounds easy'.

Oh, the 'why don't they run at full power' thing sounds somethinga Bond villain would say:

'I want full power!'
'But sir, its untested'
'I dont care, maximum power'
BANG.

I'm guessing they'd rather get the data from running as many laps as possible, rather than ruining an engine over a few laps just so they can go fast.

My optimistic hat says they'll get there - eventually (where 'there' is, however is anyones guess).
 
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Skeeter said:
Have they taken away all the previous years results from the F1 website?
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I hope it will be added back in but the formatting is horrific, the links the pages, the mobile style design so effectively big buttons for every link rather than lots of data tight together and easily readable on a larger screen.

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom...2014-race-results/2014-australia-results.html

this is the closest they seem to have and it has no practice or qualifying numbers. But even if they add them, again horrible to navigate/read on a proper monitor. ESPN did the same with football stats. More large blocks, data spread further apart, a list of stuff that used to fit on one page now needs scrolling up and down to read and compare. Idiots that make these designs need shooting. The website is now worse in every way.
 
Glaucus said:
Who know it's a mess, you can get them on BBC website though.

Q1 looks to have been dry from the times.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/2014/australian-grand-prix/results/qualifying
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They changed their stats layout as well, a few days ago I'm sure the qualifying/practice times were also missing and I was getting page not there looking for just 2014 stuff a couple weeks ago. This trend of making everything more mobile friendly but so much worse on desktop is really starting to **** me off.

Anyway, a few 1:29's in practice so you'd think they'd have hit the 1:28's for sure in dry running.
 
Gpupdate.net has historical results.

McLarens qualifying time this year would have put them around P10 in FP3 last year. With a jump forward had qualifying been dry they would probably have been mid teens-ish.

The other 3 manufacturers had at least 1 car in the top 5, so 2 seconds ahead. I'd say that's about where Honda feel, 2 seconds back on where the other 3 were this time last year :(.
 
Slam62 said:
Err the engine was crap in Dubai last year, they should have done a better job in the mean time, so much for detail and high tech.
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Obviously they cant predict what is going to fail on the car in testing can they? They built the car with what scarbs has described as the most tightly packaged concept. They were bound to run into problems just like all the teams did with their new engines in jerez 2014...the problems havent exactly been fundamentally huge ones either. Lots of the problems which prevented valuable data gathering were small, annoying and niggly ones.

Maybe a penalty for Mclarens aggressive packaging is these small problems which have put the team further behind than expected, but if the engine is good and the aero is good too then i am sure they'll be glad they went aggressive at the expense of reliability in the first part of the season as opposed to having a reliable car with a weak performance ceiling.
 
Slam62 said:
Well McLaren haven't exactly succeeded so far have they?
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Can I borrow your time machine?

The points are awarded for the race. Which is on Sunday. That's tomorrow.

Skeeter said:
I was gonna say, armchair experts aside, the "several hundred" actual experts have managed to build a car capable of coming... last.
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Not last. That goes to Manor Motorsport, who couldn't muster a car that ran under it's own power. ;)
 
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MagicBoy said:
Can I borrow your time machine?

The points are awarded for the race. Which is on Sunday. That's tomorrow.
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Parc ferme means they can't turn the engines up...

So maybe we should trade the time machine for your miracle? Unless you think McLaren were holding back :p
 
robbiemc said:
Even with an optimistic view and a McLaren fan, I'm somewhat disappointed at how little McLaren Honda have developed since testing. I'm sure they feel the same.

However, unless some here are F1 power-train engineers, then I'm comfortable coming to the conclusion that Honda and McLaren have more far information and expertise that anyone here. They haven't achieved much, but that just shows how hard it is. This isn't a brand new company saying 'hey, how hard can it be, sounds easy'.

Oh, the 'why don't they run at full power' thing sounds somethinga Bond villain would say:

'I want full power!'
'But sir, its untested'
'I dont care, maximum power'
BANG.

I'm guessing they'd rather get the data from running as many laps as possible, rather than ruining an engine over a few laps just so they can go fast.

My optimistic hat says they'll get there - eventually (where 'there' is, however is anyones guess).
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Exactly. I remember saying last year after testing that Red Bull wouldnt be competitive until Europe! Then look what happened in the first race and the consequent races thereafter.. yeah i know the fuel flow limit thing but still. It was a huge, unforseen turnaround.

I am positive Mclaren will come good in the second half of the season.
 
It makes sense for Honda not to test for warm weather, after all, F1 is predominantly ran in tracks in cooler climates.
 
Skeeter said:
Parc ferme means they can't turn the engines up...

So maybe we should trade the time machine for your miracle? Unless you think McLaren were holding back :p
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To finish first, first you must finish. ;)

Parc ferme stops someone picking a menu option on a computer or twisting a knob on the steering wheel? Nah.
 
MagicBoy said:
To finish first, first you must finish. ;)

Parc ferme stops someone picking a menu option on a computer or twisting a knob on the steering wheel? Nah.
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It prevents engine map changes.

And any settings they could change in the car they will have had on in qualifying. Their pace in Q1 was presumably the fastest they could go.
 
The whole package wasn't working as a system last year, it then didn't work in Feb and now doesn't work in March.

They can't have very good computer models.
 
Oh dear.

The FIA have summoned Manor Marussia to explain why they didn't attempt to quality.

The stewards request that you provide a written statement explaining why the team did not participate in qualifying for the 2015 Australian Grand Prix after receiving a letter from the FIA on the 20th February
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No idea what the letter on the 20th was about though.
 
Flibster said:
Oh dear.

The FIA have summoned Manor Marussia to explain why they didn't attempt to quality.



No idea what the letter on the 20th was about though.
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they can miss 3 races per season and ran into sw problems afaik.
 
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