Australian Grand Prix 2015, Melbourne - Race 1/19
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Standard. Its in the rules that you must compete to the best of your ability. Deciding to simply not bother is against the rules. If a team thats entered doesn't go out they need to formally notify the FIA as to why to ensure this rule is complied with. This is just standard procedure, Manor have genuine reasons for not qualifying.
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The opposite of bad.
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The way the engine Ker's or whatever interacts will be the subject of a complex transient computer model.
The stressing of all physical components will be done using computer models.
The thermal management of the whole package will be the subject of a transient computer model.
The aerodynamics of the car are the subject of computer models.
So computer models have quite a lot to do with it.
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I think youll find theres quite a gulf between computer models and real world track testing.
The thing is, as people have said McLaren and Honda are clever people. We can be pretty sure that the current situation is the result of them trying their hardest and doing everything within their powers to make the engine the best it can possibly be.
The problem is they aren't just behind, there behind where the other 3 were at the same stage last year too.
The problem is they aren't just behind, there behind where the other 3 were at the same stage last year too.
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Apparently so,
Agreed, no one knows how to fail harder than those two companies
Mclaren who can't string two championship winning cars back to back in nearly 30 years (it took a broken leg for them to stand any chance) and Honda who where out performed by Mugen. Even with all the testing last time they were terrible. One year struggling to get heat into the engine and the next the opposite. Limiting the engine through fears of bad publicity with detonating engines. Conservative. Now paired with the stalest bunch of plodders on the grid. I would honestly rather Alonso retired. I can't think of one redeeming feature they have, they can't even cheat properly without shooting themselves in the foot. A totally inconsistent car manufacturer with a an inconsistent engine manufacturer. Match made in heaven.
Oh well I suppose they will get a Mclaren edition Honda Jazz out for the two old fellas on the grid.
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But then again its likely that the Honda PU is more complex than those engines were at the start of 2014, which would make all of these teething (reliability and inability to stress-test at full power) problems make sense. As I've said, these reliability problems could well be worth it. They might not, but we can't rule out at this stage the possibility that Honda really may have developed an engine with ace potential and one that has the potential to be developed into a machine capable of fighting with the Mercs one day. Maybe Ron's quote about OEM technologies will bear fruit come Melbourne 2016. It's a massive mountain to climb but if Mclaren can close the gap that at least is going to be something worth watching as a Mclaren fan, as there isn't much else worth clinging to at the moment it must be said
But then again its likely that the Honda PU is more complex than those engines were at the start of 2014, which would make all of these teething (reliability and inability to stress-test at full power) problems make sense. As I've said, these reliability problems could well be worth it. They might not, but we can't rule out at this stage the possibility that Honda really may have developed an engine with ace potential and one that has the potential to be developed into a machine capable of fighting with the Mercs one day. Maybe Ron's quote about OEM technologies will bear fruit come Melbourne 2016. It's a massive mountain to climb but if Mclaren can close the gap that at least is going to be something worth watching as a Mclaren fan, as there isn't much else worth clinging to at the moment it must be said
Quite.
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Problem is you got that totally wrong - the claims were that they should NOT be running on limited power. And to save typing anything, Ron explained perfectly well why they aren't turning the wick up and burning engines. (see video above)
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Precisely, what are they going to gain by burning engines? Leap a few places up the grid and fight for minor points perhaps? Whilst Manor would see that as something truly special, McLaren have bigger targets... they need to develop these engines, it's of paramount importance to develop them properly. I'm surprised Red Bull are already an engine down to be frank, they must be quite annoyed with that.
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Yeah, I said that about 4 hours ago.
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Firstly, you're wrong about what I claimed and why, second, Ron did NOT do a good job explaining it... that was a shockingly awful interview.
My point, that you ignored is that they keep saying the engine is reliable, there are only minor niggling problems. They've said there are NO cooling issues, it's reliable... but all of a sudden they all three don't want to turn up the engine because they'll just blow them up?
They are contradicting themselves. Ron's explanation for not burning up engines was it's too early to burn through engines... again the consequence of taking a new engine is starting from the back. If they are going to start from the back anyway where is the downside?
Again link this back to what the Honda guy is saying, that they didn't want to risk losing an engine by running hotter but he added that it's because they have no experience of running hotter. Again this is contradictory... by that logic you would never turn up the engine because you don't have experience running it hotter.... which you can't get without turning the engine up.
They make claims of it's reliability and saying there are no real problems with it... yet they have never even run it full power so actually even claiming it's reliable is ridiculous. They haven't run it hot enough to test and know it's reliable, but if it was reliable.... why can't they turn the engine up.
Every single word out of all three of their mouths is completely contradictory and illogical. This was what my post was about, regardless of what you wanted it to be. Their reasoning for not turning the engine up is retarded. If they had a genuinely good reason for not turning it up, like, they actually can't or it is turned up and it's slow without any mgu-k/h power at all because those parts just don't work currently... well, again that was my point. I suspect the engine has a major problem and isn't just "not turned up all the way".
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Imprecise Ronspeak? That would be sub-optimal.