Australian Grand Prix 2015, Melbourne - Race 1/19

No no, I'm an armchair expert, I can't have an opinion, I can't have a genuinely good suggestion at all because they are smarter than everyone else and only people involved can comment.... blarggh.

Aside from learning that turned down so they are embarrassingly slow the engine has an equal chance of finishing the race or blowing up before it starts. They didn't learn anything, how does the aero perform going max speed... no clue because they didn't run it. How does the engine perform at max pace, no idea, how reliable is the engine at max pace, no idea, where are the heat/failure points when going max speed... no idea.

What is the point of working to get the engine reliable at half speed... it's meaningless. You could spend three months working on issues at half speed then find a whole bunch of new issues at max speed which you haven't worked on that whole time because you never bothered to check it.

Reliability in a performance range you can't use is meaningless and refusing to run turned up only delays finding out what other issues crop up when you run at higher speed. A vibration might occur at 12k rpm that doesn't show up at 9k rpm and you're giving yourself less time to fix it by waiting longer to find it.

Based on this suggestion, I think I am going to start off overclocking my i7 at 10Ghz and work my way down, I mean how else will I learn what could go wrong with it ;)
 
How the heck is Kimi escaping the dangerous pit release rule?

Granted, it is a strange rule that always penalises the driver, but as the rule stands he should get a penalty.
 
Haven't seen so much dross in a long time. Even when Schumacher was dominating it was still fun to watch. I am afraid F1 is going to go the same way as WRC if they keep up like this.

Yeah this is my fear as well, I don't mind teams dominating it's apart of the sport but all this fuel saving, tyre saving, cars look and sound like arse it doesn't make it fun to watch.

The thing I didn't like about todays race was that it was pretty clear Nico was never going to challenge Lewis for the lead, he just basically went into component saving mode and stayed 2 seconds behind and why would he? This crazy rule of limiting engines/gearbox's etc etc and serving penalties is killing the sport.

At least for me I find the WEC exciting but the FIA will probably screw that up too.
 
Sorry to clarify I meant engine as in the complete power unit. It's not just an internal combustion engine like the V8 era.

So the question still is ... how?

Is it the ICE? Reduced boost? Conservative mapping?
MGU-K and/or MGU-H disabled?

That said ... the amount of shrapnel that came out of the back of Magnussen's car wasn't a good sign. Something properly failed in that ICE.

Honda guy has seemed to say that the mgu-k/h have been effected by heat the most or they have to protect them from the heat.... when not saying cooling is fine and it's all reliable that is. I suspect they are running effectively with little to no electrical power. Conservative mappings almost for certain. While certain mappings would be bad for fuel efficiency you would suspect a conservative engine mapping avoiding higher end rpm would be pretty good for efficiency but in this race they were talking about efficiency despite the speed at which he was going around.

Recovering and using electrical energy can really only improve efficiency at any given speed if you're using free harvested energy rather than the ICE. So for Button to be being told about fuel efficiency and saving fuel or it even being a factor really does I would think point at extremely little if any electrical power going on. I think he ran on pretty high ICE and not much else.

It certainly wouldn't be a shock if it was the turbo blowing itself up that ended Magnussen's race. Could speculate that ithout the mgu-h effectively acting as a turbo brake they could be struggling with turbo reliability when the mgu-h isn't running.
 
Yeah this is my fear as well, I don't mind teams dominating it's apart of the sport but all this fuel saving, tyre saving, cars look and sound like arse it doesn't make it fun to watch.

The thing I didn't like about todays race was that it was pretty clear Nico was never going to challenge Lewis for the lead, he just basically went into component saving mode and stayed 2 seconds behind and why would he? This crazy rule of limiting engines/gearbox's etc etc and serving penalties is killing the sport.

At least for me I find the WEC exciting but the FIA will probably screw that up too.

Rosberg never decided to settle for second. Every time he tried to push Hamilton just responded with a faster lap.

It was like watching a cat play with a mouse. Hamilton would let him gain a bit and then just pull away again. Rosberg was 2nd because he wasn't quick enough, simple as.

The best bit was, yet again, Hamilton used less fuel while being faster than him too :p
 
There is no rule about not informing your driver on fuel levels if the measurement method within the car is broken.

I know it was just a tongue in cheek comment, I thought it was funny that in a few laps the "fuel level plus..." For Rosberg and Hamilton being told because his dash was apparently broken it wouldn't be too difficult to get around it though :p
 
I know it was just a tongue in cheek comment, I thought it was funny that in a few laps the "fuel level plus..." For Rosberg and Hamilton being told because his dash was apparently broken it wouldn't be too difficult to get around it though :p

Rosberg asked what Hamiltons fuel usage was. They aren't allowed to tell the drivers their opponents fuel levels. They can tell the drivers pretty much anything about their own cars though, especially fuel level as the drivers don't have a reading in the car.

I.e. you can tell a driver how much fuel they have and if they need to save it or not, but not how to save it.
 
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Rosberg never decided to settle for second. Every time he tried to push Hamilton just responded with a faster lap.

It was like watching a cat play with a mouse. Hamilton would let him gain a bit and then just pull away again. Rosberg was 2nd because he wasn't quick enough, simple as.

The best bit was, yet again, Hamilton used less fuel while being faster than him too :p

Yup, if they were saving engine parts they would have forced both drivers to turn the engines down and not had a 30 second gap.

People seem to forget that last year Rosberg finished 24 seconds ahead of Ricciardo and that was with a safety car around lap 17 or so rather than in the very first laps so last year that gap was gained in a much shorter number of laps. They also had a repeat formation lap and a one lap shorter race as a result. This is the most fuel limited track which favours the Merc so much because their harvesting appears to be above and beyond what everyone else can do. Ferrari were impressive in that regard, they had a terrible MGU-H last year and crap harvesting yet this year looked strong compared to Williams.

I do think they should have had a variable fuel limit in the rules. Some tracks are very non fuel intensive, some are terrible for fuel. It should be simple to equalise this. IE Australia which the teams say is the most fuel limited track of the year should maybe be a 105KG limit, and maybe other tracks, Monaco maybe, should hav a 95KG limit, it would make much more sense.

Considering the efficiency of the engines it was a shame Lotus had such a bad race as they could have likely gotten good points had they both stayed in. Also somewhat puts a damper on Force India's performance.... they looked poor despite efficiency advantage.

Ferrari putting a lot of effort into a supposedly bigger turbo and better mgu-h harvesting has certainly seemed to improve them in that sense already. Other tracks Ferrari will be able to push harder, certainly Renault will be able to push harder and with an extra even 5 cars let alone 8-9 we'd have more racing anyway.


It's a strange thing, I do like the Australia track but I really can't say why... it's not conducive to overtaking, it's poor fuel efficiency and the only thing it has going for it is several areas where crashes usually mean a safety car or two which helps to induce closer racing. In reality it's a bit of a dud track racing wise, but I guess it looks interesting. Watching a single car going around for a lap it looks fast and interesting from a 'I'd like to drive around that myself as it looks fun" way, but it's just not great for racing at all.
 
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Well I thought he was saving but that was me watching the race through my squinty 5am eyes lol

I still think today's race was a shambles on a whole
 
He was saving in the same way everyone does, and has since the dawn of F1. It wasn't because he settled for 2nd though.

No F1 car has ever started a race with enough fuel to finish it flat out.
 
It really is a shame they can't make all the RandD work cheaper via a cost cap so they don't have to have any of these silly rules to make things last
For me as a spectator I don't care if the cars cost 50k or 1million if they can race guts out of them
But it's a business not a sport and it's becoming more evident

A 10 minute session of BTCC is often more exciting than 10 races of F1

More money it costs and goes into wages etc worse it gets. And more artifical rules like DRS are needed to attempt to make it interesting

At least it isn't red bull in front with their do not race attitude. Imagine last year like that. Unfortunately it seems Hamilton is fully in the driving seat this year (if this continues - it may not)

As said, I don't care about domination in itself. Last year's close fighting saved it then.. This year looks worse still

What do they have to do to make it interesting
Finding a way to fix fuel would be one way.. But how would you do it fairly? Especially when you want to promote efficiency?
How do you make teams push to the end when penalties are so great for breaking your car?
Having to gauge what engines you will have at end of season must be tough even for these resources
 
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Just watching on sky+ now. Just LOL at maldomoron crashing out, 1st lap 1st race. Looks like business to resume as normal this season then :D
 
Just watching on sky+ now. Just LOL at maldomoron crashing out, 1st lap 1st race. Looks like business to resume as normal this season then :D

Someone tapped his tire from behind, Maldonado is a douchebag but blaming him for a crash that wasn't his fault just makes the laughing at the crashes that are his fault all the less sweet... don't ruin it ;)

Was actually Sainz who started it. I for the life of me thought I was blind when the commentators over and over, and over, and over kept saying Vettel tagged Kimi. Sainz says he hit a Ferrari from behind, and Kimi says he was hit from behind, I thought that was how it looked the whole time but multiple commentators banging on about it being Vettel throughout.

Sainz hit Kimi, Kimi's car got unsettled, slowed a little let Nasr and Maldonado alongside, Kimi's car got out of shape putting power down tapped Nasr who tapped Maldonado.

Kimi got slapped about in the first lap here last year as well. Guy isn't having a lot of luck lately :(
 
It really is a shame they can't make all the RandD work cheaper via a cost cap so they don't have to have any of these silly rules to make things last
For me as a spectator I don't care if the cars cost 50k or 1million if they can race guts out of them
But it's a business not a sport and it's becoming more evident

I'd quite like to see them introduce a relatively strict cost cap, but greatly reduce the design regulations to get some innovation back into the sport.

The problem with coat caps is nobody trusts anyone enough to let them into their books. Also teams would find ways around it with subsidiaries and clever accounting tricks.
 
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