Austrian Grand Prix 2016, Spielberg - Race 9/21

Skeeter · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:33

Well that cancels the rest of Quali 1 then.

Junglist · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:35

Skeeter said:
So you have been watching a different season.

Other than Baku, Hamilton (and a few other drivers) have been head an shoulders above Rosberg. He's being carried by the performance of the car.

What's Rosbergs net places gained/lost this seaaon?

Couldn't tell you of the top of my head what Nico has gained and lost but typically he hadn't lost many as qualifies high and starts well. Lewis' starts SVs been abysmal this season

Rosberg has just driven. Yes Lewis and Sebastian have had the issues this season which have been beyond their control but Lewis had hardly been stellar.

Judging from the races we've had this season do you honestly and genuinely think Lewis deserves to be 1st?

I'm saying this all as a Hamilton fan. I literally can't stand Smug Rosberg who achieved very little before this Mercedes force to be reckoned with. But that doesn't mean I can't feel Rosberg has been doing 'enough' to win the WDC. I don't think he is a better driver by any stretch of imagination

Spuj · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:36

What a cracking lap from Pascal Werhlein, fair play to him for that one

Skeeter · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:37

JunglistE said:
Couldn't tell you of the top of my head what Nico has gained and lost but typically he hadn't lost many as qualifies high and starts well. Lewis' starts SVs been abysmal this season

Rosberg has just driven. Yes Lewis and Sebastian have had the issues this season which have been beyond their control but Lewis had hardly been stellar.

Judging from the races we've had this season do you honestly and genuinely think Lewis deserves to be 1st?

I'm saying this all as a Hamilton fan. I literally can't stand Smug Rosberg who achieved very little before this Mercedes force to be reckoned with. But that doesn't mean I can't feel Rosberg has been doing 'enough' to win the WDC. I don't think he is a better driver by any stretch of imagination

Yes I think Hamilton should be first. And Vettel 2nd. Rosberg has won races because other people have had issues, rather than because he's been better.

He will start 6th at best tomorrow, let's see if he can actually race to anywhere higher than that.

muon · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:41

I like these punishing runoff areas.

Junglist · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:42

I don't think he does. Remember the car is flattering both of them.

But yes, Rosbergs overtaking skills aren't exactly the best are they

Twirlywoos · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:42

Nice explanation from Ant. Completely Kvyats fault there as he went of the track limits and hit the progressively worse kerbs - red and then yellow.

Junglist · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:44

Great lap from Lewis there tho

Twirlywoos · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:47

JunglistE said:
Great lap from Lewis there tho

Sebs was better

Skeeter · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:47

FYI, positions gained so far this season is +7 for Hamilton and -26 for Rosberg, and that includes a -22/-21 respectively for Spain.

Junglist · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:52

Perspective though. Lewis has started further back far more often than Nico has this season. So of course he will have gained more positions?

Skeeter · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:54

JunglistE said:
Perspective though. Lewis has started further back far more often than Nico has this season. So of course he will have gained more positions?

Indeed.

But then apply perspective to the reasons why Lewis has started further back. It's been (almost always) due to bad luck and reliability.

In every race Rosberg has been challenged, he's lost out. Monaco is the perfect example of Rosbergs ability. On the most difficult track in the most difficult conditions where drivers skill rises to the top Rosberg managed to lose 6 places, including being told to get out of Hamiltons way because he was 2 seconds slower, and managed to be overtaken by a Force India on a track it's meant to be impossible to overtake on.

Rosberg is crap. The Mercedes is so dominant that anyone could be winning in it if they were entirely unchallenged.

MooMoo444 · 2 Jul 2016 at 13:55

Great strategy call by Ferrari. Should spice it up a bit tomorrow.

Skeeter · 2 Jul 2016 at 14:01

MooMoo444 said:
Great strategy call by Ferrari. Should spice it up a bit tomorrow.

They need to ensure they are up front in Q3 though. If they can get the Mercedes at the start and be on the better race tyre its their race to lose.

Junglist · 2 Jul 2016 at 14:04

Skeeter said:
Indeed.

But then apply perspective to the reasons why Lewis has started further back. It's been (almost always) due to bad luck and reliability.

In every race Rosberg has been challenged, he's lost out. Monaco is the perfect example of Rosbergs ability. On the most difficult track in the most difficult conditions where drivers skill rises to the top Rosberg managed to lose 6 places, including being told to get out of Hamiltons way because he was 2 seconds slower, and managed to be overtaken by a Force India on a track ita meant to be impossible to overtake on.

Rosberg is crap. The Mercedes is so dominant that anyone could be winning in it if they were entirely unchallenged.

Nico usually always comes of second best when he's challenged. Hell, he doesn't even need proper pressure on him for him to choke. But this season whilst things have fallen into his lap quite fortunately I think it's unfair on him to suggest he hasn't been driving well. He had a shocker at Monaco and that only highlights what you, I and everyone else already knew about him, he's not in that top echelon as Lewis, Sebastian and Fernando. I'd put him just behind Jenson but ahead of Felipe Massa.

I don't want it to sound like I think Nico is suddenly a champion level driver - he's not. He has always been 'fast' since his Williams days but being fast doesn't make you a good racer. But he could very well end up being one this year just by being consistent.

Skeeter · 2 Jul 2016 at 14:10

JunglistE said:
Nico usually always comes of second best when he's challenged. Hell, he doesn't even need proper pressure on him for him to choke. But this season whilst things have fallen into his lap quite fortunately I think it's unfair on him to suggest he hasn't been driving well. He had a shocker at Monaco and that only highlights what you, I and everyone else already knew about him, he's not in that top echelon as Lewis, Sebastian and Fernando. I'd put him just behind Jenson but ahead of Felipe Massa.

I don't want it to sound like I think Nico is suddenly a champion level driver - he's not. He has always been 'fast' since his Williams days but being fast doesn't make you a good racer. But he could very well end up being one this year just by being consistent.

So you rank him as the 5th best on the grid yet say he fully deserves to win this championship while acknowledging that he's done it on luck not skill?

Er... Does not compute.

Glaucus · 2 Jul 2016 at 14:10

this could relay mix up the grid with how fast its drying.

markoboyo11 · 2 Jul 2016 at 14:11

yeh looking interesting now

Skeeter · 2 Jul 2016 at 14:14

Literally not a clue who's going to get this!

Junglist · 2 Jul 2016 at 14:17

He's doing all he can do. Is it his fault his competitors have had bad luck?

At this race at this moment in time Nico hasn't really done much wrong, has he? Bar the Spain GP which was a 70/30 his fault (imo) all he has been doing is driving. he hasn't made Ferrari have reliability issues and he hasn't made Lewis have abysmal starts.

F1 has luck involved. Hell, Hamilton was lucky in 2014 for Nico to have an issue at Singapore. Hamilton was even luckier in 2008 to win the WDC on the LAST lap. He was also equally unlucky to lose the championship on the last race.

Ugh, I can't believe I'm being forced to defend that smug blondey...

Good lap Hamilton

whoop P1. 3-1?