Poll: Austrian Grand Prix 2020, Spielberg - Race 1/?

[BuffetSlayer]

Yeah, this is just laughable. If you want to blame Hamilton, well I don't agree but it's clear that intelligent, well informed, people are reaching different conclusions about this. If you want to claim Hamilton hit him on purpose that's just pants-on-head stuff.

Really? Hamilton has a history if it, particularly when he is under pressure.

As do certain other drivers.

Objectively, Hamilton is known to get his elbows out. Not sure why you think this is not simply another example of it.

In addition he knew he was beat and if Albon got past he didn't have the car to chase.

 

[timmeh]

Albon was ahead by the apex and on newer tyres. Hamilton hit his rear wheel yet it’s still Albon’s fault? What?

remember when Hamilton dive-bombed Albon in Brazil, admitted he screwed up yet people here still blamed Albon? Hamilton can do no wrong.

 

[Mr Jack]

Albon was ahead by the apex and on newer tyres.

Albon was not ahead by the apex. This is simply untrue. He drives into the expected line of Hamilton's path through the corner and gets hit. It's wildly unreasonable to expect Hamilton - already on full lock and, honestly, given the difference in exit speed, possibly lifting? - to leave well over a car's space (remember Albon has space to his left when he hits Hamilton) on the exit of a corner because Albon passes him during the exit phase of the corner.

 

[Kenai]

It'll be interesting to see if Mercedes appeal, if for no other reason than to keep Hamilton's penalty points total sensible (that's 4 he's picked up this weekend):

The Stewards, having received a report from the Race Director, have considered the following matter and determine the following:

No / Driver 44 - Lewis Hamilton

Competitor Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

Time 16:31

Session Race

Fact Car 44 and car 23 collided in turn 4.

Offence Involved in an incident defined by Article 38.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.

Decision 5 second time penalty. 2 penalty points imposed, total of 7 in the 12 month period

Reason The Stewards reviewed video evidence showing that cars 23 and 44 were side by side approaching the apex of turn 4. They negotiated the turn side by side, but car 23 had a better exit and was in the process of passing car 44. Car 44 was drafting to the outside at the exit of turn 4 and consequently making contact with the rear right wheel of car 23, causing car 23 to spin. The Stewards determined that the driver of car 44 is predominantly to blame for the collision.

Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Article 10.1.1 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits.

Looks as though Kimi / Alfa have been summoned for an investigation based on releasing the car in an unsafe condition

 

[Ryan-3]

This incident at first struck me as Hamilton to blame, as being overtaken would certainly not sit well. However, I honestly think Albon just cut in a little bit too tight whilst Lewis decided that he will keep his racing line and give no additional room (of which he didn't need to). Racing incident IMO. And I don't even like Lewis.

However, how people could jump to defend the collision between these two in Brazil is laughable. That was a stonewall mistake that he held his hands up for.

I wonder what the result will be for the replay? Will we get more than 11 finishers?

 

[Mr Jack]

It'll be interesting to see if Mercedes appeal, if for no other reason than to keep Hamilton's penalty points total sensible (that's 4 he's picked up this weekend):

They can't. Penalties applied under 38.3 (which is what in race incident penalties are applied under) cannot be appealed.

 

[timmeh]

Albon was not ahead by the apex. This is simply untrue. He drives into the expected line of Hamilton's path through the corner and gets hit. It's wildly unreasonable to expect Hamilton - already on full lock and, honestly, given the difference in exit speed, possibly lifting? - to leave well over a car's space (remember Albon has space to his left when he hits Hamilton) on the exit of a corner because Albon passes him during the exit phase of the corner.

Certainly looks like he is to me. If not at the apex then it is right after. It certainly isn’t “late in the corner”. Albon was far enough ahead to be hit on the rear wheel, he didn’t have to move to avoid contact, it was on Lewis to avoid contact and he didn’t. I don’t see how anyone could argue against a 5 second penalty for that

 

[Mr Jack]

Might be good advice to a few of us in here.

Aye, mayhaps. I just hope the season doesn't come down to 6 points or less between Hamilton and Bottas.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

There's been one race....

May not be too many though. In percentage terms each race counts for a lot. Especially when you have two cars that will rarely finish off the podium.

 

[JBeck]

Or by Hamilton not backing out when he has been beaten to the punch and caught napping.

Lol. Why can't you just admit that Hamilton could have easily backed out and changed direction and being on full lock has diddly squat all to do with it.

In this situation, do you really think a 6 time WDC would be unable to take mitigating action if he wanted to?

Truth is he used all of his skills and timed that contact to perfection to ensure Albons race was ended.

The only reason there was contact is because Hamilton wanted there to be contact.

Haha we have a comedian in the thread.

 

[Irish_Tom]

Aye, mayhaps. I just hope the season doesn't come down to 6 points or less between Hamilton and Bottas.

Agreed. I want Hamilton to get #7 as much as the next Lewis fanboi.

 

[Lopéz]

May not be too many though. In percentage terms each race counts for a lot. Especially when you have two cars that will rarely finish off the podium.

So Bottas goes off in a turn 1 clash at the next race, and Hamilton wins. Now your prediction looks foolish.

It's a ridiculous conclusion to leap to.

 

[Danthus]

The point of contact.....

There is clearly a car's width, the idea Albon was forced off the track just doesn't stand up.

 

[PikeyPriest]

Haha we have a comedian in the thread.

Yea. The risk of any contact in F1 is far too unpredictable for any intention. With punctures being soo easy against body work it would be foolish to even consider.

LH was aiming to squeeze and didn’t account for AA speed. As soon as AA is ahead then it becomes his corner and LH can’t squeeze him off the track as he has track position. Therefore Albon does not need to move to give LH space, LH would need to avoid contact.

LH is a great driver, does anyone believe he did not predict AA was going to round the outside and plan to squeeze him out? 9 times out of 10 the car behind would not even be level and have to abort/run wide/lose time. This time unfortunately AA was infront and squeezing the car in front off the road or making contact is always going to end up like this.

 

[PikeyPriest]

The point of contact.....

There is clearly a car's width, the idea Albon was forced off the track just doesn't stand up.

Why does Albon (the lead car) need to give LH any space? It shows how far ahead he was of LH was if anything. You can’t squeeze a car that far ahead, you need to change your line.

 

[JBeck]

The point of contact.....

There is clearly a car's width, the idea Albon was forced off the tra

Indeed, why didn't Albon just use the kerbs, it's almost like he went looking for trouble.

 

[JBeck]

Yea. The risk of any contact in F1 is far too unpredictable for any intention. With punctures being soo easy against body work it would be foolish to even consider.

LH was aiming to squeeze and didn’t account for AA speed. As soon as AA is ahead then it becomes his corner and LH can’t squeeze him off the track as he has track position. Therefore Albon does not need to move to give LH space, LH would need to avoid contact.

LH is a great driver, does anyone believe he did not predict AA was going to round the outside and plan to squeeze him out? 9 times out of 10 the car behind would not even be level and have to abort/run wide/lose time. This time unfortunately AA was infront and squeezing the car in front off the road or making contact is always going to end up like this.

Ok.

 

[JBeck]

Indeed, why didn't Albon just use the kerbs, it's almost like he went looking for trouble.

What are you on about? Albon from that image clearly had room, why did he not give himself even more by using those kerbs?

 

[Slam62]

Why does Albon (the lead car) need to give LH any space? It shows how far ahead he was of LH was if anything. You can’t squeeze a car that far ahead, you need to change your line.

Totally agree, Albon is obviously well in front Hamilton should have backed out

 

[PikeyPriest]

On a side not I’m looking forward to some F2..etc next week. I found myself really liking some of the racing last season and hoping to have more of the same.