Yeah nice try, but frankly if you're this keen to be offended then seriously, just block me, lol.
I wasn't trying to wind you up but you've been seriously triggered, and I don't have the energy or patience to deal with it.
Autism diagnosis as an adult
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I wasn't trying to wind you up but you've been seriously triggered, and I don't have the energy or patience to deal with it.
You are assuming that I am offended or triggered? I am disappointed that you have quite a narrow minded view of how others get to be diagnosed, and calling you out on it. You are the one who engaged me in conversation.
You're just interpreting my words in a way which lets you get all high and mighty about it.
But seriously, I don't care what you think I think, so knock yourself out
But once again, you have no idea how I view mental health issues. Absolutely none. If you think you can take a couple posts and summarise my views based on that, then maybe you should look at your own tendency to make assumptions and draw spurious conclusions.Also whenever someone says, "I'm calling you out on it," I instantly switch off, because that person is probably insufferable
None of your original response to me needed any abstract interpretation to make a point.
You literally say that its too easy and convenient. If you were to go and get a diagnosis because you felt like it knowing the outcome would allow you to develop coping mechanisms then I am all for it. But it is wrong to just say it is too easy and convenient.
Also whenever someone says "I don't beat around the bush or "I don't dance on glass" they come across as someone who loves to try and say controversial or bullish things and cover it with that exact phrasing. So feel free to switch off, but you have to accept how you come across also.
You literally say that its too easy and convenient. If you were to go and get a diagnosis because you felt like it knowing the outcome would allow you to develop coping mechanisms then I am all for it. But it is wrong to just say it is too easy and convenient.
Also whenever someone says "I don't beat around the bush or "I don't dance on glass" they come across as someone who loves to try and say controversial or bullish things and cover it with that exact phrasing. So feel free to switch off, but you have to accept how you come across also.
Great idea, not sure why you’re in this thread if all you want to do is stir things up.
Nope, I just say what I think as and when I feel like it. I don't make any special effort to be edgy, heh. What you see is what you get. Like I said, I don't try to offend, but I don't worry if I do. This modern world is so full of people waiting to take offense that it's a game you couldn't possibly win even if you tried.
You lot need to find coping mechanisms when people say things you don't agree with. On the internet. Where there are lots of differing opinions. Legit opinions, but maybe opinions you don't like. Disagree, move on, get over it.
Different opinions exist. People express them. The world keeps turning.
But you made a statement that people struggling with mental health issues would find very offensive as it would belittle the effort they have gone to, to get diagnosed and then help them cope. I struggle to understand how you don't see that?
If you genuinely think like that then your comments surely aren't welcome in the spirit that the thread was started with.
So from me, if you genuinely have your own struggles and in the future feel like you need help, then please seek out that help, there is no shame, stigma attached to these kinds of things. It will help you cope and maybe find some peace.
It's worth reading up on the subject in some more detail, understand the range of symptoms at play.
There doesn't need to be any stigma attached to being on the autism spectrum. It certainly doesn't help people trying to cast false generalisations around implying that everyone autistic doesn't want to, or isn't capable of socialising. It's just wrong, and likely one of the main reasons that diagnoses have been missed over the past decades.
I don't know why they don't socialise, whether it's because they can't, they don't care to, or whatever. I don't think I'm guilty of such a generalisation.
It's hard to deny that many people who talk about having Asperger's talk about social problems. It very much seems to be part and parcel, when you find and listen to people who have been diagnosed with related conditions - some of them here on this forum.
Put another way, would you say it's common or not that people with a diagnosis of this type also talk about social issues? If it's not common or related then fine; I guess we just have lots of antisocial members here, with or without Asperger's
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Having worked and been friends with a fair number of mental health professionals, primarily psychologists, the opinion Fox expressed is not really that controversial or sensationalist, as it's shared by quite a few of those whose job it is to diagnose such disorders in the first place... Fox perhaps did not sugar-coat it as they generally have to, but many do feel people are looking for diagnoses more as some kind of badge of pride, or as an excuse, or mostly just so they can score incapacity benefits.
Do you not think they would take greater offense at the belittlement of all the non-genuine attention-seekers looking for an easy Asperger's flag to wave around?
Heck, one of the reasons I don't want to get tested is because I don't want to get lumped in with those *****...
Fox's statement quite accurately challenges the large number of people who aren't really struggling with genuine issues, yet still try to claim them... and in many cases they will get those diagnoses purely because the system they're playing starts by assuming full disorder through benefit of doubt and then counts the points off rather than building up from zero - 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence', and so unless you can wholly prove they don't have a disorder, they get the diagnosis and the benefits cheque... and some disorders are ****-easy to fake.
It's not even that easy to avoid, either, as so many work cultures are reinforcing a mindset that mental health disorders are everywhere, with Mental Health First Aiders stationed in every office and corporate mental health awareness policies pushed at every opportunity - In the 80s, it was fashionable to have your own therapist, whereas today it's very much en vogue to have something officially diagnosed. Aspergers is the new Gucci, so come sit on my psychiatrist's corner sofa and tell me about your mother....!!
I did thanks
.Let me add to what I said earlier, bell-end or not
One thing that I struggle with is the number of people who lead completely normal, productive lives; who have great jobs, are married with kids, fit in at work, active circle of friends.
And then you hear these people have been diagnosed with depression or Asperger's or whatever.
And yet I've lived a completely atypical life from the word "go", fit in nowhere, have zero social life and been single for years. I have no diagnoses of anything wrong with me, and I don't really want any.
But these people who are far more "normal" and don't appear to have a single, damn thing wrong from where I'm sitting... they get diagnosed with Asperger's or whatever, and suddenly everyone's talking about how brave they are, how they must have struggled with their condition.
FFS. I wonder what half of them know about struggle, about anxiety, about the true meaning of the word "hopelessness". Because they have everything. Forget "normal", just look at what they've achieved. A life partner, a career, respect of their friends and peers; a **** good deal.
I know I'm boned, but I don't need a damn certificate to prove it. And I kind of do resent the people getting diagnosed with x,y,z who have everything in life. Maybe I'm just bitter about it. And maybe I'm a bell-end too
That's for other people to judge.
Soldato
You are bitter, and I don't know why you think comparing yourself to anyone else will ever make any sense, or make you happy. It's possible to be a millionaire and depressed, it's possible to have a wonderful family and feel like a failure. It's possible to have loads of great friendships and feel lonely. You're measuring people on paper but let's be real, a person can have every measure of success in the world but if they're not happy with their day to day lived experience, then they're allowed to look deeper into why that is.Let me add to what I said earlier, bell-end or not
One thing that I struggle with is the number of people who lead completely normal, productive lives; who have great jobs, are married with kids, fit in at work, active circle of friends.
And then you hear these people have been diagnosed with depression or Asperger's or whatever.
And yet I've lived a completely atypical life from the word "go", fit in nowhere, have zero social life and been single for years. I have no diagnoses of anything wrong with me, and I don't really want any.
But these people who are far more "normal" and don't appear to have a single, damn thing wrong from where I'm sitting... they get diagnosed with Asperger's or whatever, and suddenly everyone's talking about how brave they are, how they must have struggled with their condition.
FFS. I wonder what half of them know about struggle, about anxiety, about the true meaning of the word "hopelessness". Because they have everything. Forget "normal", just look at what they've achieved. A life partner, a career, respect of their friends and peers; a **** good deal.
I know I'm boned, but I don't need a damn certificate to prove it. And I kind of do resent the people getting diagnosed with x,y,z who have everything in life. Maybe I'm just bitter about it. And maybe I'm a bell-end too
If you don't like your life, change it
Stop somehow trying to blame neurodivergent people for your feelings? In fact stop looking outside of yourself at all and get your own **** together, or STFU really.You bell-end
I don't disagree.You are bitter, and I don't know why you think comparing yourself to anyone else will ever make any sense, or make you happy. It's possible to be a millionaire and depressed, it's possible to have a wonderful family and feel like a failure. It's possible to have loads of great friendships and feel lonely. You're measuring people on paper but let's be real, a person can have every measure of success in the world but if they're not happy with their day to day lived experience, then they're allowed to look deeper into why that is.
If you don't like your life, change it
You bell-end
Now, imagine I had been diagnosed with Aspergers.
Would you still say the same thing? If not, why not?
Like I said, I'm not going to even get tested, because I don't think it helps. But chances are you wouldn't have written your last paragraph if I had that diagnoses, eh?
10/10 for self awarenessMaybe I'm just bitter about it. And maybe I'm a bell-end too
Many people on here feel sorry for you, not because of any named condition but because you don’t seem to be very happy. And I don’t mean happy as in a person who skips along singing in the street. You also seem to (or at least appear to) revel in it for some reason. It doesn’t have to be that way.
Soldato
^^^ says it all for me.
To be excessively specific to your question though, if you had got a diagnosis and seemed to be seeking to know yourself and find better peace, I'd say well done and good luck. If you were being a bell-end, I'd tell you to stop being a bell-end. Neurodivergence or disability (different things) are not an excuse to be an ****hole.
Like I said, stop looking at others and work on your own self. Whether that's therapy, diagnosis or just some hard work, it's not going to change unless you want to.