AV Receiver and Speakers Package

i do like them Wharfedales that possably just the right ammount is speakers i would need, what Av would you pair this with please.

also whats your views on this

SORRY dont think i can link other sites here.

Denon AVR-X1700H AV Receiver with Q Acoustics 7000i 5.1 Slim Speaker System​

- comes with speaker cable and 2 atmos speakers

I'd go for bigger speakers, if you room is ok with that and a better sub.


Have a demo of q acoustics 3010i or 3020i.

Monoprice have encore range

 
Maybe one option is to get a budget system for now, cheap but still good live with it for a while, then add bits and replace as you learn about the hobby. Rather than blowing it all on a speaker system you may find wasn't the best choice, rather than make an expensive mistake on speaker brand you might not like.


Thiss get you uo and running for peanuts and pretty good 2.0 avr system. Add rears, and a sub live with it, replace avr, add Atmos speakers etc


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i dont mean to sound ungreatful and i do welcome all the help i can get, but take a close look at them speakers. i wouldnt lift them off the street if i seen them.


The Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 HCP 5.1.2 Speaker Package, im very happy with, would just need the Av that would pair with them and meet my needs, Ie movies games, LG C1, Ps5 and SeriesX
 
i dont mean to sound ungreatful and i do welcome all the help i can get, but take a close look at them speakers. i wouldnt lift them off the street if i seen them.


The Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 HCP 5.1.2 Speaker Package, im very happy with, would just need the Av that would pair with them and meet my needs, Ie movies games, LG C1, Ps5 and SeriesX

You'll want a hdmi no2.1 capable avr for vrr, 120hz gaming etc.

Denon 2700.

Yamaha also they're reliable units. Yamaha a4a
 
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Just checking out that Peter Tyson site and come across the

Denon AVR-X1700H AV Receiver with Q Acoustics 7000i 5.1 Slim Speaker System and free atmos speakers (Q Acoustics 7000LRi Satellite Speakers (Pair))​

is it a good deal !
It's what I've got and I like it. Also, there's next to no difference between the Denon x1700h avr and the x2700 with the former being slightly cheaper (last time I looked)
 
Avrs have gone up in price,.budget models used to be £150-£250 and they're double or triple that.


I would recommend main speakers with 5.25" or 6" drivers, ones in the 7000 are pretty small so they'll lack dynamics. Also with drivers that small you'll need a better subwoofer. I'm using some q acoustics 3010i and they're nice little speakers but I wouldn't recommen them as main speakers they don't have the guts and range of a bigger speaker.

You didn't say what size room you have. A good subwoofer makes the system come alive. I've used subs from £40 to £2000.

If you are close to back wall (you didn't say how far) at least get wharfedale d3003d, so they're not sticking out into your head. If you're less than a meter to the back wall then diamond 9.2 standmounts aren't the best choice.

That's why it's sometimes better to buy individual speakers, as you might not like that specific component. Ie for that wharfedale system as an example you might want a svs pb2000 pro, and monitor audio FX bronze bipoles for surrounds instead. Also the q acoustics subs aren't very good so if you buy a q acoustics package you're lumped with it

Then there's things like avrs, each have their own type of room EQ. Denon and marantz get baking hot so that's a concern.
 
Avrs have gone up in price,.budget models used to be £150-£250 and they're double or triple that.


I would recommend main speakers with 5.25" or 6" drivers, ones in the 7000 are pretty small so they'll lack dynamics. Also with drivers that small you'll need a better subwoofer. I'm using some q acoustics 3010i and they're nice little speakers but I wouldn't recommen them as main speakers they don't have the guts and range of a bigger speaker.

You didn't say what size room you have. A good subwoofer makes the system come alive. I've used subs from £40 to £2000.

If you are close to back wall (you didn't say how far) at least get wharfedale d3003d, so they're not sticking out into your head. If you're less than a meter to the back wall then diamond 9.2 standmounts aren't the best choice.

That's why it's sometimes better to buy individual speakers, as you might not like that specific component. Ie for that wharfedale system as an example you might want a svs pb2000 pro, and monitor audio FX bronze bipoles for surrounds instead. Also the q acoustics subs aren't very good so if you buy a q acoustics package you're lumped with it

Then there's things like avrs, each have their own type of room EQ. Denon and marantz get baking hot so that's a concern.


i get what you are saying bud, its not a big hobbie for me im just looking for something that works and sounds decent. i dont need it amazing. just better than what i have at Mo check pictures. its an old LG dvd 5.1 set, maybe a 5.1 speaker set with an Av reviever which i can add atmos at a later date.
i keep going back to the Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 HCP Walnut its a shame they dont come in white tho.
 
If you want white






The problem is finding one brand that suits the room, one brand might not cover everything. I'm using four brands in my home theater for this reason. LCR, and rears are one brand. Subs another. Heights another. Sides/wides another.

Ie
White quality subwoofer
White Atmos speakers
White bipole surround speakers


You will find speaker manufacturers might not always produce good subs either, so there are companies that specialise in subs.


You really need to visit a AV shop as there is countless choices. When you have a demo ask to compare regular speakers and diffused speakers, and move the sofa as close as you are in your room.


Personally I'd get monoprice 365t pair, 365c center, and a avr for now. Get sub and rears later.
 
For rears these will be fine wall mount so they'll be out of the way, put as much money as you can into front three as those are the most important channels, on auction site


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Then look around for a sub try and get best sub you can shame you missed this as they were available for £450!

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I've got that brand of subs they're great. Someone on here has five of the monoprice subs.
 
Some white speakers here

 
Have an MA silver + bk sub setup at home.

Also have bipole on the wall due to living room being small.

I'd recommend second hand. Speakers never go wrong. (active subs, they much more likely to fail)
 
Thank you for all the help its very much Apprecited, i dont want to buy second hand speakers im not there yet, i only want a Speaker and AV package to suit what i need it for. i dont need it to be mega loud it will only be used to watch movies on my LG C1 play PS5 and Xbox series X. white speaker would be my best choice, if anyone could spec me a decend speaker and Av package that would semi do atmos and all that i need it to do.

remember from the pictures its a small room, front speakers would sit on my shelve and the back speakers would be mounted on the wall center speaker on the shelve also, av would need to be atmos but speakers could be brought at a later date.


thank you
 
Thank you for all the help its very much Apprecited, i dont want to buy second hand speakers im not there yet, i only want a Speaker and AV package to suit what i need it for. i dont need it to be mega loud it will only be used to watch movies on my LG C1 play PS5 and Xbox series X. white speaker would be my best choice, if anyone could spec me a decend speaker and Av package that would semi do atmos and all that i need it to do.

remember from the pictures its a small room, front speakers would sit on my shelve and the back speakers would be mounted on the wall center speaker on the shelve also, av would need to be atmos but speakers could be brought at a later date.


thank you

Q Acoustics make white speakers. I'm using some they're quite pleasant sound.

Unfortuantly recommendation simply might not work, I could recommend Yamaha but in demo you prefer Denon. Or vice versa.

Nothing wrong with buying second hand speakers, out of all the second hand or ex demo speakers, none have died on me. The only ones that did- were brand new.

I've saved £6000 on second hand speakers. It's not like buying a second hand car, a complex item that many parts can fail. There are literally three parts that could fail, and of those only two really- and are apparent straight away.
Look on avforums for a second hand white package ie 3020i, then buy a new sub (and a better one) with the saving
 
Ive had a ten year old LG 5.1 bluray player system for nearly 10 years as seen in the picture. any upgrade would be a bonus to me. The LG system keeps failing sound cuts out all the time, the rear speakers are wireless and cut out all the time so they are just turned off. the system is just old.

i have found a few packages that i like.

Denon AVR-X2800H, Black & MASS 5.1 Speaker Package, White​

Marantz NR1711 AV Receiver, Silver & 7000i Slim 5.1 Package, White​

Marantz NR1711 AV Receiver, Silver & Spektor 2 5.1 Package, White​

Denon AVC-X4700H AV Receiver & Diamond 5.1.4 Speaker Package, Black​


i believe the Avs do what i need them to do, and as i said the speakers dont need to be loud as they will prob never go above vol 10


thanks
 
The 4700 is the best amp out of those. Can't say what speakers would be better but generally Wharfedale are softer warmer sound/neatral and I believe Dali are a on the brighter side.
Since it's a Denon which are a bit forward, I'd say go with the Wharfedale. But that's just my guess I haven't owned or heard any of those AVR or packages just going by general vibe of others. I have owned a pair of the smallest Diamond 9.0 though
 
Don't forget you'll need the following

Speaker stands for left and right, rears , possibly center depending on your setup
speaker cable, 2.5mm 3 should be ok, get a decent length of reel you'll soon use it. Measure for each speaker where your amp will be around the room add a couple of meters per speaker to be safe.
Banana plugs, for the speaker and amp side. So for one speaker cable you'll need 2 red, 2 black bananas (one pair each end)
HDMI cables
Wire cutter, wire stripper
Small screw driver for banana plug grub screws
Cable clips to tidy around room
Velcro ties/zip ties
 
I've been watching this thread over the past couple of weeks. @Oddney, you appear to have a handle on the AV receiver side of things. My advice would be to go for one of the Denons rather than the Marantz NR range.

The reason is because the Marantz is designed to be a space saver and yet offer nearly all that a normal full-height AVR has. To do that they had to make some compromises, and the biggest of those compromises was the amplification inside the receiver. Standard AV receivers are the size they are because the power supply and amplification circuits are big and need the space. Marantz had to swap to the same kind of amps as in your 10-tear-old LG kit. These are "digital" amps, and this is one of those times where digital is not better than analogue.

Having said that, compared to the LG, both the Marantz and the Denon amps will blow it into the weeds. It's just that the Denons are the better choice for sound quality based on them having the analogue power amps.

Package vs individual bits: There's two reasons in the main to go for a package rather than spec'ing the components yourself. The first is that sometimes it's cheaper... but not always. The simple answer there then is to add up the cost of the individual bits and compare it to the package price. That's simple enough to do.

The other reason is because there's a type of customer who doesn't trust their own judgement. They have it in mind that the dealer knows best and so buying a package means that somehow the gear will be "more compatible". Sometimes that is the case. For example, buying a 5.1.2 Atmos speaker kit along with an AV receiver that doesn't do Atmos would clearly be a mismatch. However, there are lots of packages where the amp is Atmos but the speakers are simply a 5.1 kit, so you still need to have your wits about you. I don't think you'd make that mistake with the knowledge you've already gained. Besides, we are here to help you do a sanity check on any prospective purchase, so there's a bit of a safety net too.

Speaker colour and the room: In my view these are your two biggest challenges.

Speaker colour - IMO, trying to find a combination of white + Atmos seriously limits your choices. The smaller sub/sat systems such as the very good Monitor Audio MASS system don't offer dedicated Atmos speakers as an option. The reason is that someone choosing a system based on small cubes for the main speakers is typically looking for the speakers to blend in and disappear. The idea then of adding another pair of speakers sort of goes against the grain. You, and your requirements, don't fit the mould. That's not your fault. However, manufacturers try to look for the middle 3/4 of the bell curve to maximise whatever market they're aiming at, and what you're looking for sits outside that.

The other end of the spectrum is higher-end product where the white finish is a premium choice. It's a statement. Speakers with a piano gloss white finish are a focal point rather than trying to blend in. The problem there of course is that the matching Atmos speakers can get really pricy.

The bottom line on speaker colour is that I very much doubt you're going to find the combination of white + Atmos + comes-in-an-AVR-&-speaker-package. You might well get a white 5.1 kit as part of a package, but you're going to have to look at adding any extra Atmos speakers as an extra purchase.

The room: - I'm just going to say this - you've got a window on one side, no side wall on the other, and not a lot of room. IMO, anything in an Atmos speaker such as a Wharfedale D300 3D or Dali Alteco C1 is going to have to be mounted on the front wall over the screen and up high where the wall and ceiling meet. That'll get you Atmos height sound directed down to your seating position. With the window and the missing wall, plus the limited space it would be much harder to make Atmos work with these kind of speakers mounted over the seating area.


Looking at some of the gear you've already found, I think that the Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 HCP 5.1 kit (£449) does come in white. Sadly the D300 3D speakers (£149) come from a different range and white doesn't appear to be an option. Do you have any companies locally that do vinyl wrapping? :D
 
Honestly mate thank you, makes a lot of sence, i only like the white speakers because i think they would go more with the stuff i have but black ones would be fine as the ones i have now are black and yellow

i have been looking at

Denon AVC-X4700H AV Receiver & Diamond 5.1.4 Speaker Package, Black​


apart from the 2 forward facing speakers and maybe center all others would be mounted on the walls.



just a rough drawing of my idea.. i could buy the AV seperate

i have a Bad case of OCD so buying things that are different and second hand realy messes with my head. everything has to be sort of the same and centered if you know what i mean.



again thank you
 
Honestly mate thank you, makes a lot of sence, i only like the white speakers because i think they would go more with the stuff i have but black ones would be fine as the ones i have now are black and yellow

i have been looking at

Denon AVC-X4700H AV Receiver & Diamond 5.1.4 Speaker Package, Black​


apart from the 2 forward facing speakers and maybe center all others would be mounted on the walls.



just a rough drawing of my idea.. i could buy the AV seperate

i have a Bad case of OCD so buying things that are different and second hand realy messes with my head. everything has to be sort of the same and centered if you know what i mean.



again thank you

I was going to suggest that the 4700H might be a bit overkill, but looking at the ridiculous price increase when the 3800 replaced the 3700 then I think your plan is probably quite sensible. The 2800 at £870 is a lot cheaper, but nothing like as comprehensive a product.

Regarding speaker positions, if possible, I'd try to get the front right height speaker a little further away from the corner. Then put the front left height a matching distance from the midpoint of the screen. Corners are not great places for speakers in general. I am mindful that you're a little restricted with space, but even so, I'd still try to get 12" / 30cm of gap if you can.

You might want to have a think about the surround and rear height speaker positions. With the regular surrounds facing in the direction you're looking I think quite a lot of the sound will be directed away from you. It would be a similar situation with the Atmos rear heights. Have a look at this instead.

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Here the speakers are directing their sound to where you're sitting. Apart from the benefit of pooling the sound around you, the channels wouldn't need to play quite as loud because less sound is being wasted in a direction where you aren't there to hear it.

You'd need wall brackets or shelves or tall speaker stands for the 9.1s.
 
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