Soldato
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Maybe thats it, he always appears to say the right thing, and he gets results, but i'm not drawn to the dude. The really great drivers seem to have something else, enigma? Charm? Dunno.
Poll: Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2021, Baku - Race 6/23
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If Pirelli get to investigate themselves then I'm sure it will be put down to debris. Curbs, debris, drivers going too fast, whatever next.
Stroll's tyre had completely separated at the inside wall, I couldn't see clearly with Verstappen's but it looked like it might be the same, both left rear as well and if it was debris why weren't the soft tyres affected?
Soldato
I'll concentrate on the positives.
Two drivers of the day in a row for Vettel and well deserved too. He really seems to be enjoying not having the weight of a horse on his shoulders and seems to have settled very quickly at Aston (quicker than most who have switched teams). Obviously a fair bit of luck to get onto the podium today, but like Monaco a brilliant drive up to that point to benefit through the pitstops.
Perez too a brilliant race. Had to pace to jump Hamilton and then withstood a lot of pressure without making any obvious mistakes afterwards. He just needs to get qualifying sorted, but I suppose his race pace has always outshone his qualifying pace, though we know from Imola he's got such laps in him.
A really good podium all round with Gasly too after a good weekend for Alpha Tauri.
I'll finish on a somewhat inevitable negative and that was Mazepin with a dangerous move on Schumacher on the last lap. Note that this contains swearing: https://streamable.com/wdmqtz
Two drivers of the day in a row for Vettel and well deserved too. He really seems to be enjoying not having the weight of a horse on his shoulders and seems to have settled very quickly at Aston (quicker than most who have switched teams). Obviously a fair bit of luck to get onto the podium today, but like Monaco a brilliant drive up to that point to benefit through the pitstops.
Perez too a brilliant race. Had to pace to jump Hamilton and then withstood a lot of pressure without making any obvious mistakes afterwards. He just needs to get qualifying sorted, but I suppose his race pace has always outshone his qualifying pace, though we know from Imola he's got such laps in him.
A really good podium all round with Gasly too after a good weekend for Alpha Tauri.
I'll finish on a somewhat inevitable negative and that was Mazepin with a dangerous move on Schumacher on the last lap. Note that this contains swearing: https://streamable.com/wdmqtz
Don
Remember all those times when Lewis' brilliance made the difference?
Today it was not quite enough.
Simple really.
Best result for the championship though. Was so gutted for Max today.
Today it was not quite enough.
Simple really.
Best result for the championship though. Was so gutted for Max today.
Associate
Could be worse, they could use Michelins....About time they ditched Pirelli. Pirelli are rubbish, everyone knows that
Man of Honour
I hadn't seen that move by Nikita; thats very poor
Man of Honour
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Of course they did, as Max predicted. They found a 4-5cm cut in Hamilton’s tyre too. About time
Next few tracks should favour Mercedes and who knows what’ll happen with the wing saga. Singapore is gone now too which wouldn’t have favoured the merc. It’ll be an interesting championship.
He’s an absolute clown. Completely unnecessary and very dangerous move.
Soldato
The guy is shocking, does he have any points on his licence yet?
Imagine if he was running in the mid field
Went from miracle for Hamilton to a disaster.
Kind of glad as verstappen was absolutely robbed!
Bottas has to go.
Great result for vettel.
Thought gasley and leclerc were absolutely gonna crash!
Great for perez. He deserves a great result.
Not a fan of the restart for fairness. But made a great wmd
Great race i support neither Hamilton or verstappen so good result.
Would have been gutted if verstappen lost all those points
Kind of glad as verstappen was absolutely robbed!
Bottas has to go.
Great result for vettel.
Thought gasley and leclerc were absolutely gonna crash!
Great for perez. He deserves a great result.
Not a fan of the restart for fairness. But made a great wmd
Great race i support neither Hamilton or verstappen so good result.
Would have been gutted if verstappen lost all those points
Soldato
Wait till Ticktum makes it to the grid! (if he does!)The guy is shocking, does he have any points on his licence yet?
Imagine if he was running in the mid field
He'll make Mazepin look like Barrichello in the popularity with fellow drivers stakes
Soldato
I feel it's necessary to state that it's completely unacceptable that it took a full one and half minutes for race control to declare the safety car after Verstappen's crash. Sixteen cars went past him at barely diminished speeds, three of them when he wasn't strapped into the car or was even standing next to it! It took them 35 seconds to do the same after Stroll's crash.
What the heck were Race Control doing all that time? It's a street track with crashes on a straight with some of the highest speeds we see all year.
Deledda (he of racing through packed streets one handed while recording himself) has made a complete fool of himself in 2021. After being too slow to qualify at Monaco, in Baku while being lapped (inevitably) he made it all the way to the third placed car before dangerously chopping him off in the flat-out sweepers and picking up a penalty.
I'd say thankfully Deledda won't qualify for a Super License, but then they let him race in Monaco despite not showing a lap within 107% in any session, so who knows.
What the heck were Race Control doing all that time? It's a street track with crashes on a straight with some of the highest speeds we see all year.
As much as it pains me to say it, as he's a moaning brat at best and a terrible temper who should have been banned for life after that Silverstone meltdown, but I'd rather Ticktum any day to Deledda.Wait till Ticktum makes it to the grid! (if he does!)
He'll make Mazepin look like Barrichello in the popularity with fellow drivers stakes
Deledda (he of racing through packed streets one handed while recording himself) has made a complete fool of himself in 2021. After being too slow to qualify at Monaco, in Baku while being lapped (inevitably) he made it all the way to the third placed car before dangerously chopping him off in the flat-out sweepers and picking up a penalty.
I'd say thankfully Deledda won't qualify for a Super License, but then they let him race in Monaco despite not showing a lap within 107% in any session, so who knows.
Caporegime
Why F1 doesn't have drivers wait in their cars until instructed otherwise, I don't know. But while the race director should have moved faster, drivers should be respecting double yellow too. F1 stewards are far too reluctant to penalize for this stuff, the lax attitude to unsafe releases in the pit lane always amazes me too.
Don
Judging by their reaction when Red Bull radioed them, I think they were busy deciding whether to red flag due to the tyre failures. Not an excuse, as the immediate priority should have been the current danger on track, but they'd be wrong whatever they did imo
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Agreed and agreed. It seems to take ages before they deploy a SC, not the first time this season. I’m also surprised F1 drivers are allowed to just jump out of the car. It’s a recipe for disaster. I’m also incredibly cynical about the red flag, it gets used a lot these days and given how it spices things up have no doubt it’ll be used much more.
Soldato
It's nothing new; just a week or so ago I made another post saying that Charlie Whiting should have been held more to account for Bianchi's crash when he failed to put out a safety car despite having a car, marshals and a tractor in a critical location. It's all good and well saying drivers should slow, because while that's true, it's not a defined speed drop and most drivers will abuse it from amateur karting through to top level professional racing. Leclerc himself was angry on the radio that there was no safety car for exactly that reason.
If you've got a car perpendicular to the track you should immediately throw a VSC to neutralise the race, then you can upgrade it to a SC or red flag as needed. There are no excuses for more than a few cars to pass through first and certainly not for a full 90 seconds to elapse.
Regarding Pirelli on first look I'm inclined to believe them. From the outside camera you could see Stroll had a massive hole in the tyre, which could have been caused by the spin, but then you probably would have seen the white kevlar belt, but it was just a massive gash, so I can quite believe it was a structural failure from something penetrating the tyre (not enough to cause a slow pressure loss, but enough for the belt to rupture at high speed).
As for Verstappen from the long view from turn one you can clearly see two pieces of debris bouncing along the track just before the tyre marks start to appear from the deflation.
We've seen what happens with Pirelli structural failures in Silverstone and Korea - they tended to rip the carcass of the tyre from the sidewalls and leave the track strewn with metal, composites and massive surface belts, but neither of these failures were anything like that.
As Pirelli themselves said, as I did I elsewhere at the time, you wouldn't expect the left-rear to fail - the right-rear is where all the energy and wear should have been.
Caporegime
I remember Schumacher arguing he didn't need to slow 'cos he held up his hand to acknowledge the incident. They want drivers to slow, penalise them when they don't. Complaining they don't slow whilst letting them gain an advantage by not slowing is never going to work.
I put £10 on Hamilton to win just before the restart at 2/1 so was in line for £30. Was happy when he got the better start but then gutted when he sailed down the escape road! You'd have thought the team would have seen magic mode was on, but it depends when he hit the button as he said he didn't even know he'd done so. Makes for an interesting race and championship! If Perez wins again and Hamilton and Verstappen have bad races it makes for a three way fight really.