Babylon 5 reboot?

Keep in mind there is an entire slew of people under-30 who would not watch the original run, in the same way I did not watch the original BSG, but loved the reboot.
 
I'd struggle to watch Babylon 5 I think.

I didnt watch DS9 until 2003 when the DVDs were released and I thought it was great - I started watching it on Netflix last year and though it is still great, the standard definition fuzzy picture, cheap sets and (mostly) very dated CGI have not been kind. Some of the stories are quite dated as well now, it was constrained by the network and decade it was shown, but TV has gotten enormously more complex since IMO.
 
Noooo! No no no!

Londo and G'Kar have yet to be bettered in any sci-fi show - and i'm incl. TNG in that, which I adore. So much about B5 was great, but they're the core that hold it tight. Upscale and clean it up, sort the cgi. Job done.
 
I'd struggle to watch Babylon 5 I think.

I didnt watch DS9 until 2003 when the DVDs were released and I thought it was great - I started watching it on Netflix last year and though it is still great, the standard definition fuzzy picture, cheap sets and (mostly) very dated CGI have not been kind. Some of the stories are quite dated as well now, it was constrained by the network and decade it was shown, but TV has gotten enormously more complex since IMO.

The slew of under 30s wouldn't have paitance to watch it. So all the intrigue will be changed to fight scenes as that what the idiot focus groups want.
 
One thing that worrys me. He made Crusade after b5 and well i dunno about the rest of you but i thought that was pretty bad, i didnt like their casting which is probs a big reason why i didnt like it but also it didnt follow very well in the episodes iirc and it was never concluded as it got canned. So if he made and wrote Crusade, does he really have it in him still to make something like the original b5 concept and pull it off?

Also i wonder what the budget is for the new b5, will it be a mill per episode, or more? I think when i was watching scott bakula interview lately he mentioned enterprise was around near 2 mill a episode i think and the last season about 700k pe.
Crusade was basically him trying to do a B5 story, whilst the network were trying to cancel the contract for "cause" by forcing him to make major changes whilst it was in production, including sexier characters/more skin and a simpler story to make it more appealing to the sort of people that liked their female characters wearing bikini armour and more explosions or shoot outs with less story (they'd signed based on B5's success but different execs took over and wanted sexier and simpler or better yet to kill it off).

Much of the time when he's been left with creative control he's done an outstanding job, even when he's been fighting to tell stories his way he's usually done a good job. I was reading his autobiography a while back and it was surprising how many things he'd worked on that i'd enjoyed and in several cases had managed to tie nonsense together to tell a story, and in other cases how even as a kid I'd noticed something got worse and realised why upon reading it.
IIRC he's done some of the best runs in several comics, B5, Sense8, the first (good) season of The Real Ghostbusters, He Man, Jayce and Wheeled Warriors (he comments about how they tried to tie that idiocy together), a bunch of the better episodes of Murder She Wrote, Changling and Jeramiah which was great.

I'd say he's probably still got it in him, he's kept busy polishing his skills as a story teller and certainly kept up with changes in technology and how TV/film is made., and his hits have probably outweigh his failures despite the fact that he seems to be very much a creator who has in the past walked away from jobs/industries for a while if he's had enough issues with the management.
 
JMS is behind the reboot,so I am hopeful its fine as he created the series and wrote most of the episodes!





This is a really good website if you want to look at some of the original concepts behind the series:
https://www.b5scrolls.com/

One of the people connected with that website,got hold of the original CGI assets,and re-rendered them on a modern system:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtNtUIbU5zDuTq_BJ7xj_MA



Considering they are 26 years old,they still look pretty decent IMHO. There also seems to be a better master of the original series too on HBO Max:

That looks epic!
 
I've skeptical of course, but one potential silver lining to a CW production, if it gets beyond the first season they're usually good to good for however long the creators want.
 
go to youtube and search babylon 5 4k, theres more great rerendering vids using original assets, theres one that does a lot of the big battles too which looks great.
 
go to youtube and search babylon 5 4k, theres more great rerendering vids using original assets, theres one that does a lot of the big battles too which looks great.

Yeah last night i got distracted for about an hour watching them :)
 
Can't wait the Babylon 5 reboot :D

But can't stop wondering will the cast be as good as was in the original series. Not saying all of them were good but they did fit in their roles.
 
I think anyone but CW and i'd be mildly excited, however B5 is my favourite sci fi show of all time and as such, no matter how good this is, i'll be unfairly comparing it all the way through.
 
I think anyone but CW and i'd be mildly excited, however B5 is my favourite sci fi show of all time and as such, no matter how good this is, i'll be unfairly comparing it all the way through.

Is it unfair to think someone can make something better 30 years later? If they can't make it better (so by definition just make it worse), then they should leave it alone. I don't think you're being unfair to compare a new B5 (with nearly 30 years of advancement), to the original version. If it can't surpass the original, then don't make it.
 
Is it unfair to think someone can make something better 30 years later? If they can't make it better (so by definition just make it worse), then they should leave it alone. I don't think you're being unfair to compare a new B5 (with nearly 30 years of advancement), to the original version. If it can't surpass the original, then don't make it.

Just already feel like i'm not giving it a fair chance as I don't believe they can improve upon the consistently good performances across the majority of the ensemble cast. That's my biggest gripe with this reboot, even if they got a handful of great actors, B5 was lightning in a bottle with it's casting, to do that twice would be something to behold.
 
Just already feel like i'm not giving it a fair chance as I don't believe they can improve upon the consistently good performances across the majority of the ensemble cast. That's my biggest gripe with this reboot, even if they got a handful of great actors, B5 was lightning in a bottle with it's casting, to do that twice would be something to behold.

To be fair, we've seen many reboots in movies and TV. The vast majority of them were not good, so B5 would have to be very much an outlier to be as good as what was a very remarkable TV show. It's not like CW is known for it's great shows, and the few hits they do have quickly go bad.

If you look at something like Battlestar Galactica, the original was actually not that good (more of a live action kids show with space ships), so taking that concept and making it a great, adult SF show was well beyond my expectations. How is B5 going to be better than the great stories and characters (played by great actors) JMS already wrote? Just updating with cheap CGI and bodging the rest isn't going to be enough.

I'm willing to give a new show a chance depending on reviews (it is B5 after all), but it's got to be held to the high standard of storytelling that the original had.
 
One direction worth considering now CGI is both better and relatively cheaper is having less humanoid alien species. We all get that Star Trek, Star Wars etc had to do what they did on a budget of person in suit because plausibke aliens was mostly in the too difficult box. I mean even the Alien is just a man in a suit but the camera angles and appendages sell it well. For B5 which is truly aiming to be alien if you were remaking you could "alien up" the cast and have less humanoid species.

But yeah it's got to be good to make it worth doing.
 
A lot can be done with CGI now of course that wasn't possible then remember that insectoid gangster from series one they didn't bother with him after that he was just too obviously puppetry and too much to be doing with. CGI alone doesn't necessarily make for a good show, of course.
 
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