**Baddass' Ultimate TFT FAQ and Reviews! (20" and Above Models)**

[Baddass]

Originally posted by Dead Again
No was going to order intoday, but your post has me a little worried. I hear that the Au Optronics screens are not as good. Think I'll have to give oc'uk a ring to try and find out. Will let you know.

this is being blown WAY out of proportion...........ppl are making then AU panel out to be really inferior or something and in reality it isnt.......the spec is better on paper, some reviewers have said the 20ms Hydis panel performs a little better, but that doesnt make the AU panel carp or anything! true, when Hyundia say theyre using a Hydis panel and aren't then that's a bit odd, but really ur not gunna notice a major difference at all, its still a fantastic panel made my AU as im sure every Hitachi owner on here can tell you!

 

[Baddass]

Originally posted by TorcH`
anyone?

@ TorcH:

did some chasing for you and emailed LG about it, they say:

Thank you for your email Our specification guidelines state that a failure is when there are four failed pixels or if there are 2 failed pixels within 20 mm of each other then this is also considered a failure. Or one dead centre of the screen I hope you find this information useful and if you need any further assistance then please don’t hesitate to contact us again.

 

[Baddass]

thanks for the links........will havea read thru those, mitgh wanna edit that sweary completely, i know some ppl have been suspended for less

 

[Baddass]

Originally posted by Arsenal
yes it is reputedly 12ms, though i can't say i can tell much difference between it and other sub 20ms screens i've used.. though i haven't given it a full work out yet.

Was £403.35 including vat and delivery, and a simple google found me a place that sold it to the UK.

nice ..........DVI cable included?

 

[Baddass]

Originally posted by StinkingM
any one supply a link for buying a samsung 172X in the UK please ?, and yes i have googled, only place i found was *******, bu they dont ever appear to have them in stock, much appreciated.

well if u read the rules you'll see we arent allowed to mention any names anyway or competitors, but the one u mention is the only place i had found in the uk anyway

 

[Baddass]

sticky updated on 20-4-04 with new info (particularly the Samsung 172X) tidied it up a bit, got rid of dead links and cleaned it up a bit.

 

[Baddass]

hes talking half rubbish there........he's very much trying to say "it's ok to buy our dead pixel screens"

basically only some TFTs come with dead pixels already, which is a fault during manufacturing......because it costs a lot to make them, and they want to keep retail costs as low as they are, they still sell these screens as it is too expensive to make pixle perfect screens available all the time

it IS possible to devlop them over time, particularly if u are nto careful with the screen and have ppl prodding it all the time......but they can just develop over time, although it is not that common......sometimes pixles will become lazy, but you can often massage them back to working again......its just a feature of the way the pixels refresh themselves over time.......u'd be quite unlucky to devlop them over time tho if u were careful with the screen

 

[Baddass]

Originally posted by Morgoth
The TFT ive been using for the past 3 years still doesnt have any dead pixels, its had a few accidental prods, but generally well looked after.

yeah ive had mine over a yr now, very careful with it, no dead pixels dev yet, touch wood

 

[Baddass]

Originally posted by Cue
Any more feedback plz?

more likely that the monitor is fine. Its just a feature of all TFT's really. Colour is not always even across the whole screen, generally not noticable at all.

Also Kev_UK, all TFT's will "ghost" a bit when you move a text window around fast, but you really need to ask whether you could read the text at that speed anyway

 

[Baddass]

Originally posted by stormy
Lo mate, I am looking seriously at this baby now. Where is this 1 dead pixel replacement quote? I cannot find anything on the Samsung site. Is that direct from them or from your supplier?

Cheers,

Mike

thats a trading standards kinda thing, everywhere u should be able to return a product within 7 days, so if it has one ded pixel u can return it if u want afaik

Mr Latte: try this thread fro lots on the 193P

and StinkingM, thanks for the comments, adding them to front page of this sticky now

 

[Baddass]

Originally posted by Cue
Is there a way to check the response rate on a TFT considering the scandal with the 172X? :/

no not really..........there's no scandal with Samsung 172X tho they have confirmed to many places that the retail model is the 12ms panel, as said on the first page of this sticky. the only different ones were the 20ms and 16ms ver which were sent to reviewers very early on. Places like THG who has the slower panel early have admitted Sammy sent them the wrong one and now have reviewed the proper 12ms panel

 

[Baddass]

Originally posted by CommanderSpike
Any opinions on the Acer AL1912?

not a bad 19 inch screen. 16ms response time which is good for a screen that size. still 1280 x 1024 res tho, so not an improvement in that respect over a 17inch model. has decent viewing angles of 140 and 140 (not too bad anyway). 500:1 contrast ratio is good. full spec here on Acer site

only prob is it's VGA only (no DVI) so bare that in mind. havent seen this one in person so not sure if it'sa big problem not having it. dont think any users on the forums have one either. have a google around and see

can be had for about £425 too, so not bad for that size TFT

 

[Baddass]

i had the auto config on my AOC for AGES, and it would pop up when swicthing to games, loading windows etc.

check to see what refresh rate u have it set to in your GFX card settings. it should be on 60hz, even tho it can go up to 75hz. it looks noticably better on 60hz here, even tho i tried it on 75hz for ages when i first got it. plus it stops the auto config thing

 

[Baddass]

alirght mate?

well all the TFT's listed in this sticky are good really. To summarise it all really, the same 16ms AU Optronics panel is used in MOST of the TFT's nowadays. So really the choice you need to make, is not based on panel performance, but based on looks of the TFT. Hyundai Q17, Hitachi, Viewsonic, LG 10B and 20B all use the Au panel, so try and decide which one suits your price range and which one looks best to you, in apperance.

other than that there are a couple which dont use the AU 16ms panel, notably the Sammy 172X and BenQ 767-12 which both have 12ms panels. In reality tho, these panels are very comparable in performance to the 16ms AU, so again, base your decision on looks....they are the top spec on paper tho

it all really boils down to the looks really and the price as all the TFT's atm perform quite similarly. If any of the extra bits are important to you like USB sockets, speakers etc then perhaps take that into consideration

personally if i were ordering a brand new TFT out of the 17inch range at the £300 - £400 range (ones in this thread really) then i'd go for:

LOOKS: LG1020B (looks soooo nice, lovely TFT, only slight draw back is no DVI, but if u read the section about that in this thread it doesnt make a lot of diff anyway on this model), think i'd buy this one myself

PERFORMANCE: perhaps the Q17, as a LOT of ppl have it and seems to be one of the best out there. plus a few extras over the LG like DVI and usb connections too

hope this helps

 

[Baddass]

Originally posted by Apatche64
so is it a case of 16ms = au panel = great tft?

its more a case of 17 inch TFT = 16ms AU panel = great TFT really

nearly all of them have this panel in atm, and yes, it's a VERY nice panel, which is why every manuf is using it atm. arguably the best panel around atm really, the Hydis 20ms panel is ncie too but not made any more, and very comaprable to the 16ms AU anyway

also i've seen only a few 19" that have 16ms responce, does this make them all bad for games?

the problem with 19inch panels for me is that they tend to only do the same res as a 17inch anyway, unless u go more expensive and get a ncie 1600 res one. so for me, id go with a 17incher. the panels for the 19inch arent quite there yet as far as gaming and response rates in most cases unfortunately. prob better to save a bit of money and get a top of the range 17 inch than a lower 19inch, thats what i'd do anyway at the mo

if i wanted the best value for money tft i'd go for the cheapest with 16ms responce time?

well yeah, if u get a 16ms panel out of the 17inch range chances are it uses the 16ms AU panel so it would be great performance wise. Check in the first page to make sure the one u want does have this panel in it. then get the cheapest one with that panel in if your on a budget.

what's the best 19" for the money mate?

Dell do some good cheaper TFT's. Check their site for their range. Other than that there's the LG1910B which is nice, not sure about prices on 19inch screens really mate. also just found the AOC LM919 for £395, so that's not bad

cheers baddass mate

no probs

 

[Baddass]

£200 maybe? no DVI bare in mind, thats only on the B model. nice TFT tho, wouldnt pay too much 2nd hand tho as it's an old screen now really.........still pretty nice........tough to say how much it's worth, could try him lower tho, like £175 maybe?

 

[Baddass]

nice setup, whats that stack of magazines in the bottom? looks dodgy.......

 

[Baddass]

Re: 20" + reviews ?

Originally posted by Quango-uk
Any chance of doing some reviews on monitors capable of doing 1600 x1200 ie 20" +

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Quango

possibly, but the thing is they are really a little more specialised than the 17inch models and def in a higher price range......some ppl have done stuff about 19inch panels on these forums so if u do a search u might find some info on any in particular you're looking for. if they become a bit more mainstream then i can def put some stuff together, but finiding info and forum user comments on them is a little difficult atm until they become more widely used and available

 

[Baddass]

Originally posted by Apatche64
hey baddass,

got my lg1710s monitor, i think it's great.

great budget 16ms tft, are the b models that much better? .. cause this is great!!!!

cheers for all the help.

no problem mate only difference with the B models is the addition of DVI, if you have a decent VGA on your GFX card then it prob wont make too much difference anyway, but that's about it really, nice panel, glad you're a happy new member of the TFT club

 

[Baddass]

Originally posted by Dark0
As great as the information in this thread is..I'm still bloody indecisive

Best 17in solely for Gaming anyone?

I'm thinking the Hyundai Q17 or the Hitachi CML174SXW2...as my first choice of Samsung 172x is practically the dodo of all monitors.

Or shall I just wait?

Sorry if this is a rerun of things already said but

lol, def a rerun of older questions.

- Sammy 172X has 12ms screen and like u say, hard to find anywhere
- Q17 and Hitachi have same 16ms panel in them anyway, so go for whichever u like the look of more.

pretty much all the screens mentioned in this thread perform very similarly anyway, ghosting is just not a big issue any more and a LOT of them even use the same panel in the TFT anyway. Base it on looks really. the 16ms AU panel, the 20ms Hydis panel, the 12ms Sammy and AU panels all perform very similarly, i doubt u would really notice any difference between them all. I suppose best for gaming and all round is prob the Q17 though atm, but like i say, most of the screens mentioned in this thread perform the same!