Bah, I can't decide what graphics card to buy. If any.

[sideways14a]

v56 is now priced right , imho it owns everything up to a 1080ti which is Nvidias only star card unless your playing older games or a gsync owner.

Ok might not be the best for dx11, although they are far from rubbish, but vega will only get stronger as time goes forward. Just a shame its reference only god knows what they are doing.
I wouldnt touch a 1070 now, or the 1080 - 1070ti for that segment and for any faster its got to be the 1080ti if you must have a grean coloured card.

 

[famas]

I'm hoping the 1070's will be reduced. the 1070 mini is currently £350 but it's on pre order.

I'd be happy with a reference card as it's for an ITX case, c'mon Gibbo what ya got for us

 

[Angilion]

v56 is now priced right , imho it owns everything up to a 1080ti which is Nvidias only star card unless your playing older games or a gsync owner.

Ok might not be the best for dx11, although they are far from rubbish, but vega will only get stronger as time goes forward. Just a shame its reference only god knows what they are doing.
I wouldnt touch a 1070 now, or the 1080 - 1070ti for that segment and for any faster its got to be the 1080ti if you must have a grean coloured card.

I have been looking at a Vega 56, but there are two major drawbacks for me:

1) Noise. It's a power-hungry and therefore hot card, so cooling is an issue and the choice is reference blower or buy something else. The reference blower is not all that great, frankly. A Vega 56 with a good cooler at a price on a par with a 1070 with a comparable cooler would probably be something I'd buy, but it doesn't exist. Also, using a Vega card would make my PSU louder too as it will be under heavier load due to the far higher power requirements.

2) I'm using Win7, so no DX12. I dislike Win10 enough to ensure that I'll be using Win7 for as long as there are security patches for it, regardless of the fact that MS have chosen to remove security patches from standard Windows Update and force people who want them to find and download them manually. When support for Win7 ends, I'll be switching to a games console. It might be a PC running Windows 10 used solely as a games console or it might be a specialised games console, but I would never trust a general purpose computer to Win10. I like to own my own computer and be confident that it will carry on working from month to month and Win10 removes both those things.

Also, I have had a bottle of beer so I am now drunk and know I shouldn't make a decision this evening. So no purchase today. I shall finish building an inn in a settlement in FO4 instead. With a lot of beer in it.

 

[sideways14a]

Lol, yeah done too many beer purchases myself..

As for the noise and heat, well while my 56 was alive it never seemed to be bad with noise - nowt like the old 290 reference.
The heat and power consumption touted by many are out of proportion.
Thing is by doing some under volting, slapping on a 64 bios and running say 1625 to 1650 and 1100+ hbm (if it will do it, plenty do) it will show a 1080 and stock v64 a clean pair of heels while being relatively well behaved.
the 56 is the first amd card for a while that does have some great tweaking potential. Power/heat and now price are great.

As for win7 and 10, well there is not much we can do about that - personally i dont have any problems with 10, its been fine with me and i could give two tosses about the so called data slurping. But then i get licenses for it for next to nowt so i would say that

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Thanks for the detailed information. I agree that a 6GB 1060 would be the best buy for Fallout 4, but I'm going to go for something better because I'll probably play something else within the next few years, something less CPU limited, and ~£250 for a 1060 appeals to me even less than the pricing for 1070, 1070Ti and 1080. I have £1500 in spare cash for fun money and more every month, so the cost isn't directly an issue. The sticking point for me is perceived value for money more than price per se.

I'm obviously missing something because I'm not seeing the prices I see other people referring to. The prices I'm finding are about 10% above the ones I'm seeing people referring to. I'm seeing £380+ for 1070, £420+ for 1070Ti and £470+ for 1080.

I had a smile over the changes shown by your casual reference to my current card having "only 3GB of VRAM". 3GB is an "only" amount nowadays, but I remember when 4MB was the huge amount of memory on the amazing new 3Dfx Voodoo graphics cards that transformed PC gaming like nothing before or since.

Well I remember when 64MB was lots of VRAM!!

Sadly FO4 once modded gets quite VRAM heavy - remember if you had gone for a GTX760 2GB/GTX770 2GB you might be in a worse situation. Like I said with increased draw distance increased and mods,etc,even 8GB is not enough at qHD(!) and causes the game to crash.

For me the GTX1070TI is a waste of time - the GTX1070 is cheaper and the GTX1080 is faster and costs about the same. The GTX1080 could be had for as low as £430 only a few weeks ago and can be had for under £450 if you shop around and are quick on the purchase button. As Gibbo hinted in another thread the GTX1070TI is going to replace the cheaper GTX1080 cards now.

Regareding longevity I suspect Vega56 might be the better choice,but costs more than the cheapest GTX1070 deals which pop up.

I would say just be patient and keep checking HUKD every day for the next week or so!!

 

[Telecaster]

I have a hunch that AIB V56 are going to be dear. Gibbo said in the black Friday thread that this price is to clear out the reference cards as AMD are no longer making them, so whatever the previous regular V56 price was you can add a decent amount to get an AIB V56 price.

That makes it's not very good value against a £350 AIB cooled 1070.

 

[Angilion]

[..]For me the GTX1070TI is a waste of time - the GTX1070 is cheaper and the GTX1080 is faster and costs about the same. The GTX1080 could be had for as low as £430 only a few weeks ago and can be had for under £450 if you shop around and are quick on the purchase button. As Gibbo hinted in another thread the GTX1070TI is going to replace the cheaper GTX1080 cards now.

The lowest prices I find are £380 for 1070, £415 for 1070Ti and £480 for 1080 (with the cheapest with a comparable cooler being £490). At those prices, the 1070Ti seems the best bet.

I've seen alleged £350 1070s, but not actually for sale.

Regareding longevity I suspect Vega56 might be the better choice,but costs more than the cheapest GTX1070 deals which pop up.

I would say just be patient and keep checking HUKD every day for the next week or so!!

I just had a look...and was sceptical rather quickly when they were referencing a Gigabtye 1080 on a well known site for £392 and an ASUS ROG STRIX 1080 for £436 on the same site. Neither of which existed, of course. Oh, and £382 for a Gigabyte GTX 1080 Wndforce OC...which is actually £461. I had the same issue with camelcamelcamel, so I think the problem is with the well known site in question.

 

[Angilion]

I have a hunch that AIB V56 are going to be dear. Gibbo said in the black Friday thread that this price is to clear out the reference cards as AMD are no longer making them, so whatever the previous regular V56 price was you can add a decent amount to get an AIB V56 price.

That makes it's not very good value against a £350 AIB cooled 1070.

OcUK now has a preorder for a AIB V64 card. It's £590, which is £130 more than the cheapest reference card and only £10 cheaper than the reference water cooled version. I think your hunch is going to be proven right. Although who in their right mind would pay that much extra for a better air cooler?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The lowest prices I find are £380 for 1070, £415 for 1070Ti and £480 for 1080 (with the cheapest with a comparable cooler being £490). At those prices, the 1070Ti seems the best bet.

I've seen alleged £350 1070s, but not actually for sale.



I just had a look...and was sceptical rather quickly when they were referencing a Gigabtye 1080 on a well known site for £392 and an ASUS ROG STRIX 1080 for £436 on the same site. Neither of which existed, of course. Oh, and £382 for a Gigabyte GTX 1080 Wndforce OC...which is actually £461. I had the same issue with camelcamelcamel, so I think the problem is with the well known site in question.

One of them did exist as I clicked through to it,and then it sold out in a few hours,and that was yesterday! Apparently some other place price matched and it went out of stock. People ordered them.

You need to be quick on all the deals - loads and loads of deals in the last four weeks(including yesterday) on the GTX1080 for between £430 to £450,and it also comes with a copy of Destiny 2 from many retailers(you need to check for the eligible ones):

https://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/destiny-2-geforce-gtx-bundle-last-chance

If you sell the copy,even more money off. People have got those deals on this very forum,hence why the GTX1070TI has got such a tepid reception here!

The same goes with the GTX1070 - just the week before last helped a mate do a build with a GTX1070,which cost £365ish.

Remember its not even Black Friday or Cyber Monday,so there could be more deals.

Its why I told people those deals were good - sadly the GTX1070TI only has served to make the GTX1070 and GTX1080 more expensive,since the downward pricing of the GTX1080 was also pushing the GTX1070 down to the price it should have been.

Edit!!

OcUK,have the GTX1070 on pre-order for £350:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/zota...s-graphics-card-zt-p10700g-10m-gx-10r-zt.html

Just looked around the GTX1070 can be had for £360 to £370 quite easily.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Its a Black Friday deal, just not moved it into section as waiting on stock, the ETA is end of this week.

That is for the Zotac GTX1070 BTW. So it seems OcUK will be selling it for £350 in a few days time!!

 

[~>Dg<~]

2 7950s is about 980 gtx performance.so 1060 gtx performance.id personally goto a 1070 gtx.

 

[chroniclard]

v56 is now priced right , imho it owns everything up to a 1080ti which is Nvidias only star card unless your playing older games or a gsync owner.

Ok might not be the best for dx11, although they are far from rubbish, but vega will only get stronger as time goes forward. Just a shame its reference only god knows what they are doing.
I wouldnt touch a 1070 now, or the 1080 - 1070ti for that segment and for any faster its got to be the 1080ti if you must have a grean coloured card.

No.
Wishful thinking/hoping.

 

[Davedree]

That zotac 1070 is not a black Friday deal, you have sold that zotac mini for 350 about 3 different times.

 

[Thekwango]

That zotac 1070 is not a black Friday deal, you have sold that zotac mini for 350 about 3 different times.

Do you actually think all the deals are Black Friday unique?! There might be 1 or 2 but anyone with half a brain knows most aren't unique/special/specifically Black Friday deals.

 

[heartburnron]

OcUK now has a preorder for a AIB V64 card. It's £590, which is £130 more than the cheapest reference card and only £10 cheaper than the reference water cooled version. I think your hunch is going to be proven right. Although who in their right mind would pay that much extra for a better air cooler?

I agree it's expensive however the improved cooler has allowed for the default clocks to almost match the liquid cooled version so there is a significant performance improvement there too. Still a tad pricey though...

 

[Tacitus]

I'm in the same boat.

I have a 290x with a dodgy display port and a 4k monitor. Lucky me having to use HDMI and getting 30hz...

I want to support AMD as I have a Freesync monitor and a soft spot for the underdog. I also feel given how well the 290x aged their cards are better long term investments.

Vega 56 just feels too dear for what it is, particularly for a reference card, and given the price differential between that and a 1070ti it is hard to want to stick red. Not to mention the 1070 tends to be a good whack cheaper.

If you look any lower I don't think the jump from a 290x to a 580 is a big increase in performance and so I'm left thinking the only good value proposition is to get a used 980ti and overclock it. It's rather unfortunate.

 

[Davedree]

Do you actually think all the deals are Black Friday unique?! There might be 1 or 2 but anyone with half a brain knows most aren't unique/special/specifically Black Friday deals.

No.

Gtx1070 zotac mini

Its a Black Friday deal, just not moved it into section as waiting on stock, the ETA is end of this week.

 

[Thekwango]

No.

Gtx1070 zotac mini

What's the roll eyes for? If a retailer told you your granny was your granda would you believe them? OcUK are doing nothing none of the other retailers aren't doing.

I don't agree with it but I understand why. As I said previously anyone with half a brain knows 99% of Black Friday deals jave been at the Black Friday price point previously and will be again in the not too distant future. So be cool baby, be cool. You're getting your panties bunched up over nothing.

Edited: for spelling!

 

[Davedree]

What's the roll eyes for? If a retailer told you your granny was your granda would you believe them? OcUK are doing nothing none of the other retailers are doing.

I don't agree with it but I understand why. As I said previously anyone with half a brain knows 99% of Black Friday deals jave been at the Black Friday price point previously and will be again in the not too distant future. So be cool baby, be cool. You're getting your panties bunched up over nothing.

What are you going on about, just ssshh.

Edit post few days back.

Ocuk 1070 zotac mini was at £350 for a limited batch twice and then prices rose to 390 and 410.
Vega 56/64 slithered down to 389/449 and then went back up.
So no I'm not expecting anything at all, though I'd love to see the 1070ti mini drop to £380 .

I nearly bought a zotac 1080 mini for £467 and destiny2 from elsewhere.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Its still a good price for a GTX1070 in the current climate,and at 1080p should be a solid purchase,IMHO OFC!!