Bahrain Grand Prix 2012, Sakhir - Race 4/20
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Yes he did, and Nico pulled away with ease, why is this possible when tyres are the limit? Surely MS would be right on his gearbox?
Funny how the TV showed him running wide onto the kerb and losing a bundle of time then, I guess you missed that?
Why ask a question then answer it? Merc paid for MS to get his drive in F1, so not sure why you are on about pay drivers as if they are something new or incapable of being any good. Santander bank roll Alonso, Marlboro used to bank roll MS at Ferrari, do you consider them pay drivers?
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Does that sentence make any sense to anyone else?
alonso would be at ferrari even if satander didnt sponsor him.
schumacher would be at mercedes even if he didnt attract sponsors.
maldando , petrov , senna etc wouldnt be on the grid unless they were bringing money
theres a difference between pay drivers and sponsors that want to be linked with people because of what they have achieved
Yes, that is correct. There is a difference between a driver being paid by a team and the team being sponsored, and a driver 'buying' his seat by bringing sponsors to the team.
I'm not a fan of the pay driver aproach when it means people with genuine talent are left out in the cold. However you have to accept that this is how it is now. I expect over half the grid are pay drivers.
But what has this got to do with Schumacher complaining about the tyres?
I'm not a fan of the pay driver aproach when it means people with genuine talent are left out in the cold. However you have to accept that this is how it is now. I expect over half the grid are pay drivers.
But what has this got to do with Schumacher complaining about the tyres?
Only the back two teams have not complained about tires all the rest have.
MSC is 100% correct you can't race with these tires at all, now it's 90% tires 5% driver 5% car it's just stupid.
Now if they had brigdestone back and keep DRS and Kers drivers could push their cars no problem. I don't call tire management F1 racing.
^^ Agree
We need tyres that allow the driver to push, keep kers and DRS for the overtaking issue and actually have a proper race instead of a tyre management course.
Tactics and strategy will still be key, but the tyre degredation is becoming prohibitive now
We need tyres that allow the driver to push, keep kers and DRS for the overtaking issue and actually have a proper race instead of a tyre management course.
Tactics and strategy will still be key, but the tyre degredation is becoming prohibitive now
i dont know? mr men came ou with
"Did Merc pay for MS to make his Jordan debut, yes or no? "
But then pitstops become pointless. Everyone qualifies on the softs, runs 10 laps, pits for the hards, and then drives to the end of the race. The Bridgestones made for stale racing as you need cars to be on different strategies to mix things up.
The whole reason we have these Pirellis like this is because during a Bridgestone season in 2010 the Canadia GP threw up tyre management issues that caused people to have to pit a number of times or pit less if they looked after their tyres, and everyone wanted the Pirellis to create this. Now we have that in every race people are complaning they want the durable Bridgestones back
Its not as simple as just changing the tyres.
It's been about tyres for many many years, remember Hungary 97 and Hill in an Arrows with Bridgestones? 2005 with the endurance tyre was no better than what we have now, seems there will never be a happy middle ground and some will always complain
Personally I think 2012 so far has been brilliant. F1 is very much limited in it's current form, be it the tyre compounds, rev limits, banning V12's, gearbox limits, teams managing fuel during races etc etc, the tyres are just part of the limits teams work under now, and some will do a better job than others. Tyre management has always been a skill set for the best F1 driver's, I remember MS saying how his time in sportscars greatly helped him with tyre management when he got into F1, and the likes of Gilles Villeneuve pitting for fresh rubber just to try and get FL and trash the tyres in 3 laps and be back in the pits
A tyre war would off course make things different, but then we would find one team dominating and much more complaints (unless it happens to be your team).
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Say that to A Senna and he would laugh at you while he was bouncing from side to side while overtaking lol.
All people here and the F1 drivers are trying to say is It's not racing any more..Get it?
And skyboy when you get home tell your good lady that deuse said that you can win a argument with her,
That's why we also need refueling re-introduced, nobody will win a race with a single pit stop with other cars on lighter fuel loads going 1-2sec a lap faster.
True to a point what's he is forgetting to say is that the tires did not change every race and it never took a team half a season to get used to them.
Are these not the same tyres as last year, just with the compounds moved around? ie last year's medium is now this years hard?
With Pirelli not having any running at Bahrain maybe this also cost them by bringing too soft a tyre, and the medium and hard would have been more suited to this race.
With Pirelli not having any running at Bahrain maybe this also cost them by bringing too soft a tyre, and the medium and hard would have been more suited to this race.
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But then a TRUE racing driver named Senna came in to F1 who would go like a bat out of hell change tires and do it all again.
In one race Senna lapped everyone bar the guy in second place..looking after tires like they do now pff
Yes he was called The Professor till Senna showed him how it's done then he was called moaning git even Ferrari sacked him.