Bahrain Grand Prix 2012, Sakhir - Race 4/20

Im just saying be fair - stats arent everything (if they ever mean anything to start with)

It doesnt matter in general who is better on Saturday, this isnt where points are gained or lost.

I never said it was. I was just saying that Lewis can clearly extract a faster lap time out of a car than Button when they can go for it 100%

Actually it wasnt - dm tried to suggest LH beats JB out right in the race "most of the time" as I pointed out at the top of this page - this is just not even close to being true (even this season its not even close to being true , even after JB had a technical retirement and non-scoring finish)

I think what DM was getting at through his entire post though was that IF the drivers could go for it hammer and tong throughout the whole race without worrying about tyres, then Hamilton would be faster and beat Jenson on a regular basis during races. We can see that from Hamilton's qualifying performances and fastest laps.

Obviously F1 isnt like that, especially with the tyres we have currently, so Jenson's ability to be consistently fast, without destroying his tyres, is working wonderfully for him.
 
I never said it was. I was just saying that Lewis can clearly extract a faster lap time out of a car than Button when they can go for it 100%.

So one place on the grid isnt going to make a jot of difference (as the first corner melee can often account for far more than this)

So stop quoting meaningless stats about qualifying (which dont account for how close , in places, one is to the other)

I think what DM was getting at through his entire post though was that IF the drivers could go for it hammer and tong throughout the whole race without worrying about tyres, then Hamilton would be faster and beat Jenson on a regular basis during races. We can see that from Hamilton's qualifying performances and fastest laps.

Obviously F1 isnt like that, especially with the tyres we have currently, so Jenson's ability to be consistently fast, without destroying his tyres, is working wonderfully for him.

Completely irrelevant, the cars are designed around current rules, not around some mythical set of rules that may or may not make one driver faster

Just because Lewis can be faster with minimal to low fuel on a Saturday, NO ONE can be sure whether he would be just as quick on high fuel in race situations even with better tyres.
 
So one place on the grid isnt going to make a jot of difference (as the first corner melee can often account for far more than this)

So stop quoting meaningless stats about qualifying (which dont account for how close , in places, one is to the other)



Completely irrelevant, the cars are designed around current rules, not around some mythical set of rules that may or may not make one driver faster

Just because Lewis can be faster with minimal to low fuel on a Saturday, NO ONE can be sure whether he would be just as quick on high fuel in race situations even with better tyres.

You are completely not getting my point. Therefore , i'm out.

All I have stated is that Hamilton is better at qualifying. I have never made any insinuations that this means he is better than Jenson in a modern day F1 race. All i have said is that he is better at getting the car to go the absolute fastest it can compared to Button.

I will repeat myself again.. i think Button has the edge on Hamilton on race day at the moment.
 
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Pirelli boss Paul Hembery says the manufacturer is open to changing its tyre philosophy if Formula 1 teams want it - but insists it has had no indication that there is any unhappiness about its rubber.

Speaking at Mugello, Hembery reiterated his belief that the current generation of tyres had helped produce more exciting racing, but said Pirelli was always open to discussion about it's strategy and approach.

"We were asked to come up with a certain approach, and that was agreed with teams," Hembery said. "The leader for the teams' views was actually Ross [Brawn], and he told us that Canada 2010 was the model they wanted and that is what we worked on.

"What do we want? One car to disappear into the distance? The public turned away from the sport when that happened, so there was a very clear decision made by the sport to address the racing.

"If the sport decides we are too aggressive we can change though; we can supply tyres that don't degrade and allow you to push, as we did last year when the hard and medium tyres had negative degradation - the loss of performance from the tyre was less than the loss of fuel.

"We would [be open to change] for the sport, but its not just the drivers – it's the teams, the promoter. The team principals tend to be quite pragmatic and look at the bigger picture, and I would be very surprised if they asked us to do anything different.

"At the end of the day we do what they want and also the right thing for the sport: it is not us on our own deciding a direction, you have to work together as a partnership."

Asked specifically about Michael Schumacher's criticism of the Pirelli compounds, Hembery said he was sympathetic to the seven-time champion's views.

"I can see Michael's frustrations, but it is the sport that asks us," he said. "There is a strange misconception in that drivers don't push. All four winners were pushing and they were also quicker than their team-mates, so it's hard for me to understand that concept.

"We have limited to some extent what they can push but that doesn't mean they don't have an influence: there is no doubt [they count] and that's very important in a sport that should be about the drivers.

"It's hard to please everybody, we accept that. Tomorrow morning we could do something different, but right now that's not really what the majority is asking."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99281
 
I dont think anyone has ever blamed the tyres in that sense (I certainly havent), it was defintely from Bernie's /the FIA 's direction to Pirelli that caused all of this hoola (they may have gone a little too far, but not unjustly so)
 
Yeah they can't be blamed, they are only following the script that's been given to them. I feel for them a touch.

We shall see over the next two races or so if the tyres are calling the outcome if the performance on differing circuits swings again.
 
Really? The pole sitters have been doing pretty well the past couple of races.

Of course, because like last year if you qualify on pole and lead the race it's just a case of driving to the delta time, anyone behind you who tries to close the gap will destroy their tyres in doing so.

Pirelli said:
All four winners were pushing and they were also quicker than their team-mates, so it's hard for me to understand that concept.

Rosberg admitted that he didn't push with his race win actually, it's no wonder he likes the tyres wouldn't be able to win otherwise.


"I was gone right from the start, then it was all about tyre management"

"There's not one lap in the race where you can go flat out, you really have to take it carefully."

Modern F1. :o
 
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