From 11th to 2nd, nah not all that good
Bahrain Grand Prix 2012, Sakhir - Race 4/20
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From 11th to 2nd, nah not all that good
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I cant believe how many people don't have the guy on ignore baffles me. He's the DM of F1
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i may have things a bit wrong here, but surely the best solution from a viewers perspective is to get the tyres that can stand up to a driver pushing it (i seem to remember the bridgestones being like this), bring back refuelling, lose the silly two tyre rule and change the regulations to drastically cut down the turbulence of the air behind the cars
i have no idea how that last one could be put into place, but i'm sure someone in the world knows the big causes of turbulent air behind an F1 car, and how to remove/reduce those causes. something like monza spec wings with far smaller diffusers should help a bit
i have no idea how that last one could be put into place, but i'm sure someone in the world knows the big causes of turbulent air behind an F1 car, and how to remove/reduce those causes. something like monza spec wings with far smaller diffusers should help a bit
kimis good but i think the renault is a very quick car this year.
the pecking order still isnt clear though
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I cant help but agree with Brundle, it may be leading to exciting and unpredictable races but IMO the tyres are just too much of an unknown factor. It seems that for a given circuit, track condition, temperature and car, who will come out on top is really just luck of the draw with who gets there setup right for the conditions that weekend. Of course the teams that get it right will claim they worked hard on getting their setup right (as all teams will) but it does seem there is a large amount of luck involved as things like temperature variations are so unpredictable.
I also agree with Brundle about the tyre wear meaning people cant push as hard as they would like. If tyre wear was less of an issue I have no doubt Kimi would have been able to reel in Vetel and get past him. Ok you could argue that he had 1 chance but after that his tyres were shot from pushing to catch him making the pass improbable.
I think F1 has made some good progress recently with this seasons regulations levelling the playing field and also DRS working out relatively well. I would prefer however, to see the drivers going 100% balls-to-the-wall for the whole race rather than having to tip toe around and look after their tyres to the extent that they do.
I also agree with Brundle about the tyre wear meaning people cant push as hard as they would like. If tyre wear was less of an issue I have no doubt Kimi would have been able to reel in Vetel and get past him. Ok you could argue that he had 1 chance but after that his tyres were shot from pushing to catch him making the pass improbable.
I think F1 has made some good progress recently with this seasons regulations levelling the playing field and also DRS working out relatively well. I would prefer however, to see the drivers going 100% balls-to-the-wall for the whole race rather than having to tip toe around and look after their tyres to the extent that they do.
I think the teams just need time to get the best out of the tyres. They got the Pirellis working much better in the latter parts of last season, so much so Pirelli had to 'move' the tyres down a grade to put it back to where it was before. The same will happen this year as well.
To be fair, Webber said all that after pre-season in 2011. That the racing was no longer about being fast but racing to a predetermined consistent lap time worked out by computers and engineers based on tyre wear data gathered on fridays.
It's taken this long for every one else to get to the point webber was at before the first race. I agree with MB and the drivers he was talking to, nothing though will change.
It's taken this long for every one else to get to the point webber was at before the first race. I agree with MB and the drivers he was talking to, nothing though will change.
I'd be happy enough if the drivers could go flat out for 20 laps or so.
Surely Pirelli are going to be concerned about bad press for their brand if F1 drivers are saying the tyres are no good? I know they have been asked to produce this type of tyre, But the general public and press will take it as "they are ****"
Surely Pirelli are going to be concerned about bad press for their brand if F1 drivers are saying the tyres are no good? I know they have been asked to produce this type of tyre, But the general public and press will take it as "they are ****"
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You cant really believe that can you?
If they are watching F1 no doubt theyll have heard the commentators mentioning how these tyres are made to brief.Love to see links to any negative press about their road tyres due to how their F1 tyres are performing if you have them? Be shockingly poor journalism...
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Apparently on the drive home from the track, Rosberg had an incedent with a fan and ended up pushing him off the road and into a lake.
After consulting with Michael Schumacher, police dismissed it as a driving incedent.
After consulting with Michael Schumacher, police dismissed it as a driving incedent.
You cant really believe that can you?
Love to see links to any negative press about their road tyres due to how their F1 tyres are performing if you have them? Be shockingly poor journalism...
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I don't believe it no, I was more pointing out the press will jump on it and not give all the facts and the general public will take it at face value mostly.
Just a different way of looking at it really.
Picking up the Pirelli tyre issue again, is there any reason why they just dont just go up one notch on the tyre selection? So a race thats normally soft and medium moves to medium and hard?
Obviously theres an issue regards to races that are already medium and hard but other than that am I being naive? It may mean a slower race (but lap times generally have been getting slower season by season) but realistically less tyre management would be afforded and so more chance the driver can race at ultimate performance (which still would be limited by the tyre, but always would be).
At least its something that they could try without any real negative concequences right now within this season. That or just return to last years compound mixtures...
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Obviously theres an issue regards to races that are already medium and hard but other than that am I being naive? It may mean a slower race (but lap times generally have been getting slower season by season) but realistically less tyre management would be afforded and so more chance the driver can race at ultimate performance (which still would be limited by the tyre, but always would be).
At least its something that they could try without any real negative concequences right now within this season. That or just return to last years compound mixtures...
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There is definitely a conflict of interest in F1 at the moment, the FIA and casual fans wanting entertainment despite all its manufactured fakeness and the hardcore racing fans who want actual racing with driver skill being rewarded.
It looks like the drivers have had enough of the current circus that F1 has become and thankfully Schumacher has awoken the masses to what is going on.
What they need to do is make tyres more durable so that pushing is not punished by higher degradation and bring back refueling so that a> teams don't underfuel the car and b> adds variety in strategy and makes 1 (and often 2) stopping uncompetitive.
It looks like the drivers have had enough of the current circus that F1 has become and thankfully Schumacher has awoken the masses to what is going on.
What they need to do is make tyres more durable so that pushing is not punished by higher degradation and bring back refueling so that a> teams don't underfuel the car and b> adds variety in strategy and makes 1 (and often 2) stopping uncompetitive.
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You cant really believe that can you?
Love to see links to any negative press about their road tyres due to how their F1 tyres are performing if you have them? Be shockingly poor journalism...
ps3ud0
Who cares how good the tyres are if their brand is perceived poorly? Tyre manufacturers want to be involved in F1 because all of a sudden it's their brand that is in all the adverts which will increase sales; if it didn't increase sales they wouldn't want anything to do with F1 and the cost that comes with it. If Pirelli start getting slated it gives them bad press and people will be more inclined to chose a different brand on their car. This is because Joe Bloggs will flick to the back of The Sun and skim read something that essentially says Pirelli tyres are rubbish.
Having read through a few of the last comments I do tend to agree partially...
F1 has become more about tyre management than anything else now.
Qualifying isn't as important as it used to be, qualifying 3rd or 4th can still give you a good chance of winning the race for instance, with the addition of DRS.
It has turned into a bit of "who can go the fastest yet easiest on their tyres in each of the driver's stints"...
F1 has become more about tyre management than anything else now.
Qualifying isn't as important as it used to be, qualifying 3rd or 4th can still give you a good chance of winning the race for instance, with the addition of DRS.
It has turned into a bit of "who can go the fastest yet easiest on their tyres in each of the driver's stints"...
There's nothing particularly wrong with this and it is the case for virtually all racing, however, it's problamatic now because you are having to manage your tires as soon as you put them on. We need a situation where you can at least afford to do 10 very fast laps before you impact your race significantly. If they do more than 1 or 2 fast laps (in order to overtake) they start to significantly damage their tyres.
I agree. I do enjoy the more strategic environment that these particular current crop of tyres offer but it would be nice to see who can go hell to leather for a good few laps before they start to degrade. Getting that kind of compound right would take some doing though?