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Poll: Bahrain Grand Prix 2021, Sakhir - Race 1/23

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Shimmy, 22 Mar 2021.

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Rate the 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix out of ten

Poll closed 11 Apr 2021.
  1. 1

    0.7%
  2. 2

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. 3

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. 4

    2.1%
  5. 5

    1.4%
  6. 6

    6.2%
  7. 7

    24.1%
  8. 8

    42.1%
  9. 9

    16.6%
  10. 10

    6.9%
  1. KiNgPiN83

    Mobster

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    Oh.. In that case you could be right. Unless he wants to have a look at what the 2022 regs may bring Aston Martin? (Although they may need to wait until 2023 to be more competitive as they'll need to get a good luck at the 2022 Merc first... ;):D)
     
  2. Mr Jack

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    How many chances does a man need? It's not like this is the only time he's been unimpressive. He's had excuses made for him since his poor showing in 2014.
     
  3. Steampunk

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    That's what was said when the regs changed and Vettel suddenly couldn't drive the Red Bull car, and again when he went to Ferrari and had the team built around him. I think that he genuinely cannot change his driving style, and doesn't have the skill or headspace to change himself to get the most out of the car. He's been flattered by his early wins when RBR was dominant, and now competing against a dominant Hamilton/Mercedes has done him no favours. I've not seen Vettel evolve over the years in the same way that Hamilton has. Vettel makes the same mistakes, the same angry errors, always blames the other driver instead of looking at himself in the mirror to fix his own issues.

    I predict we'll see the same pattern in the Aston, because he's given me nothing to think otherwise.
     
  4. Steampunk

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    Bottas in the Mercedes is not terrible. He is still getting seconds/thirds/fourths, which should be enough for a WCC unless Perez suddenly ups his game. Sure, Bottas looks average against Hamilton who can take the same car and consistently get first place, but Bottas' results are "good enough" for a second driver, without the grief and destabilisation that comes from having two number one drivers in the team taking points off each other. If Bottas is reliably good enough to beat Perez, then that's probably enough, unless Hamilton has problems keeping in front of Verstappen, then Bottas' weak races will become significant.
     
  5. Entai

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    But that was totally down to him absolutely hating the new regulations, and how it made the car drive.

    He hated the lack of downforce, the drive by wire, the whole way the engine powertrain and car felt and handled, he was extremely close to quitting at end of 2014, but got the Ferrari drive, and no one ever says no to Ferrari.


    The reg changes will change the order, of that there is no doubt, it is purely who will get ahead and find the loopholes.

    Every large regulation change has put one team ahead of all others, with all other teams playing catch up until the next big reg change, that will not change, its been the same throughout F1 history.

    As I say i is purely which team will come out ahead this time.

    With the money and resources that Aston now have, they are massively in the fight as to who will come out on top.
     
  6. Psycho Ned

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    I don't really think Sebs heart is in it anymore and hasn't been for a long while, suspect this move was a last throw of the dice to see if he can re-find something in a new environment. Not sure he'll wait to next season to find out if the regs help Aston if he doesn't find anything this year.

    Same as Schumacher if he'd hung on another year or 2 he'd have had the chance to drive the Merc Hamilton has won all those titles in but he knew it was time to hang it up.
     
  7. -Ad-

    Capodecina

    Joined: 4 Nov 2004

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    Location: Aberdeen

    Enjoyed the race yesterday, thankfully no large events like last year.

    Lewis is looking good and as calm as ever, Max is looking punchy and Checo is going to be a surprise and really challenge the top lot.
     
  8. PinkFloyd

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    I'm with a few others here in thinking that Seb is done for. He's not looked consistently competitive for years and still constantly ends up in collisions with other drivers either through his own fault (like yesterday) or just not knowing when to back off. Whilst there is the idea that Seb could shape the car to be better for him next year, if he doesn't up his game - why on earth would Aston design a car around someone who is undoubtedly past his best rather than building the car around Lance or another?

    Roll on the next race to see how things play out as it's a bit too soon with jumping to conclusions on some of the performances. Impressed with both Perez and Tsunoda and can't wait to see how they do.
     
  9. fez

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    Bottas is good enough when Merc have zero competition. Is he good enough if RB put up a fight?

    Hamilton could have won the constructors championship on his own for Mercedes last season and he missed a race...

    Yes I know that if Bottas wasn't there hoovering up the second and third place finishes it would give other teams more points but when one team is so dominant it doesn't matter how good their second driver is. We saw that Russell would have easily won the only race he has ever done in the Mercedes if the team didn't manage to concoct the biggest **** up they have managed in years.

    I think people underestimate just how dominant the Merc has been especially in the hands of Hamilton.

    They have won the constructors by:

    2020 - 254pts
    2019 - 235pts
    2018 - 84pts
    2017 - 166pts

    I think that depending on what Hamilton does next year, Bottas could be out if anyone challenges them this year. Perhaps even if they don't. Mercedes have been lucky that they have been able to put someone as average as Bottas in their no2 seat and still cruise to the DC and CC each year. We saw what happened with Rosberg and I don't think they want to have to deal with that again.
     
  10. GravyMonster

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  11. JBeck

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    Fingers crossed you're right, I had the same perspective when he got the AM drive, it's just my optimism seems to have deflated somewhat.

    I really hope he works things out.
     
  12. JBeck

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    No he's not good enough, I've been saying it for years that if the other teams/RB sort themselves out, Merc keeping Bottas in that second seat will cost them the WCC, this will probably be that year.

    I don't understand why they renewed his contract so early on in 2020 but one thing is 'for sure' is that this will be his last season in a Merc. Toto didn't seem impressed when Bottas tried to question the strategy rather than his own lack of pace.
     
  13. Mr Jack

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    Because Claire told them there was no chance they would let Russell out of his contract early.
     
  14. JRS

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    Possibly this, possibly the need to not put anyone in the car who will actually challenge Hamilton for the title.
     
  15. 413x

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    Bottas, Vettel, Ocon are what I thought were mistakes end of last year for this year.

    And looks like it's playing out. But I'm sure most of us thought this too
     
  16. Quartz

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    I mainly agree with your other points but I think the jury is still out on RB having the best car. I will say that it's a match for the Merc. Both did well in race pace and qualifying was so close it could have been decided by the wind. Time will tell and I hope I'm going to enjoy watching many battles between Verstappen and Hamilton.
     
  17. Entai

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    From what I have heard from a source very close to Lewis, THAT is exactly the clause he has in his contract.
     
  18. utajoker

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    I believe 3 trophies wernt enough to catch all the Dutch tears
     
  19. Bald-Eagle22

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    Don’t let everyone on here say I told you so .

    I’ll say it again , Bottas is bad news for F1 fans , put a racer in the Merc and shut me up for good . Bring back Rosberg , hell even put Massa in it but anyone than Hamilton’s Gimp.
     
  20. JRS

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    Which is fine. Not the first driver to insist on such a thing, won't be the last in the remaining few years that F1 has before the implosion.