Bakers refuse Gay wedding cake - update: Supreme Court rules in favour of Bakers

Dunny774 said:
I read somewhere (I will find it)
That one of the biggest Homosexual activist said this ruling could cause so many problems (aka Holocaust Denial cake forced onto jewish bakers).

I support gay marriage but I also support the right for refusal, I think this ruling is unfair.
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Peter Tatchell?

I think he's bee fairly balanced on this. He originally provided expert witness against the bakers but changed his mind, regarding the case as setting a dangerous precedent with respect to freedom of expression.

Recent pieces in the Independent. He's previously also written for the Guardian on the matter.
 
Drizmod said:
Devils advocate, I wonder what would happen if someone asked for a cake to be baked by a bakery that is owned by Muslims with the words 'freedom of speech' with a picture of Muhammad on the cake?
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There will be some legal twist that makes you guilty of something just for asking :P

Or you will get your way, but WW3 will break out.
 
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In my opinion, the result is actually pretty good, it will do more harm to those who seeked to do harm, the bakers will live and learn to be more clever with words around sly people.
 
The way I look at is that if someone refused me the service ill just go somewhere else. Why would I force someone to bake me a cake they'll probably ejeculate into it for all I know
 
Thekwango said:
'dear mr and mr gay couple, sorry we have a bit of bad news - we miscalculated the number of outstanding orders we have and in this instance won't be able to fulfil your order. apologies for any inconvenience caused - yours sincerely ashers non-homophobic bakery'

the above would have solved the bakeries issue without need for a court case, and everyone could move on with their lives! But no, everyone has to get all knicker twisted.
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Nailed it.
 
ICDP said:
Under UK law, yes they do actually.

It is unlawful to refuse to provide a service to a prospective client on the basis of age; disability; gender reassignment; marriage and civil partnership; pregnancy and maternity; race; religion or belief; sex or sexual orientation. It is also contrary to the SRA Code of Conduct.
Where you refuse to provide a service to a prospective client you should provide them with a reason for that refusal.

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/suppor...e-advice-service/q-and-as/refusing-a-service/
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While every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information provided by the Practice Advice Service, it does not constitute legal advice and cannot be relied upon as such. The Law Society does not accept any responsibility for liabilities arising as a result of reliance upon the information given.

I cant make your cake, I am too busy.

goodbye.
 
sp@rkles said:
I personally hate the term "protected", I can protect my self well enough thanks.
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No you can't. The police, the military, the street cleaners, the nuclear scientists, the road builders, the car manufacturers and many others are working around the clock to protect you.
 
atpbx said:
While every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information provided by the Practice Advice Service, it does not constitute legal advice and cannot be relied upon as such. The Law Society does not accept any responsibility for liabilities arising as a result of reliance upon the information given.

I cant make your cake, I am too busy.

goodbye.
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Indeed, I am generally far too busy to go to customers who live in caravans or in council houses with anything remotely "Horsey" looking about them! ;)
 
Thekwango said:
'dear mr and mr gay couple, sorry we have a bit of bad news - we miscalculated the number of outstanding orders we have and in this instance won't be able to fulfil your order. apologies for any inconvenience caused - yours sincerely ashers non-homophobic bakery'

the above would have solved the bakeries issue without need for a court case, and everyone could move on with their lives! But no, everyone has to get all knicker twisted.
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See, the trouble is "Thou shalt not bear false witness".
 
Drizmod said:
The way I look at is that if someone refused me the service ill just go somewhere else. Why would I force someone to bake me a cake they'll probably ejeculate into it for all I know
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Yeah fine you'll just go somewhere else. Until you realise that every cake shop in your town decides they don't want to serve you due to one of your characteristics that you can't change. What do you do then? That's why discrimination law exists in the first place.
 
ICDP said:
Under UK law, yes they do actually.

It is unlawful to refuse to provide a service to a prospective client on the basis of age; disability; gender reassignment; marriage and civil partnership; pregnancy and maternity; race; religion or belief; sex or sexual orientation. It is also contrary to the SRA Code of Conduct.
Where you refuse to provide a service to a prospective client you should provide them with a reason for that refusal.

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/suppor...e-advice-service/q-and-as/refusing-a-service/
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No, they don't actually, with should being the key word here. If they had just refused the request without giving a reason that would've been fine.
 
Will21st said:
No, they don't actually, with should being the key word here. If they had just refused the request without giving a reason that would've been fine.
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Fine if the customer accepts it. But if the customer disputes it, makes an accusation of discrimination and then under oath the business owner is asked the reason... then you either lie under oath or get the book thrown at you.
 
Thekwango said:
'dear mr and mr gay couple, sorry we have a bit of bad news - at this moment we are currently too busy (being utterly disgusted at your request) to complete your order. apologies for any inconvenience caused - yours sincerely ashers non-homophobic bakery'

the above would have solved the bakeries issue without need for a court case, and everyone could move on with their lives! But no, everyone has to get all knicker twisted.
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Uriel said:
See, the trouble is "Thou shalt not bear false witness".
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I've amended their excuse that should have allowed their conscience to remain clear and their souls chaste and pure :p
 
dl8860 said:
Fine if the customer accepts it. But if the customer disputes it, makes an accusation of discrimination and then under oath the business owner is asked the reason... then you either lie under oath or get the book thrown at you.
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whilst that could be the next step it would be unlikely. I used to work on the doors and turned people away all the time without giving reason. 'I don't want you in here', simple as.
It's ridiculous freedom of association has been so undermined by all this legislation, but the that's the kind of 'cry-baby' society we have become.
 
Ruddy gay pride! Blah blah blah. Must we bend over and take it like them?

What is the world dissolving into?
 
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