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True, Zidane was great but Messi is a genius.
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True, Zidane was great but Messi is a genius.
Your just bitter you guys let the smallest man on the pitch score with a free header in the CL final
How dare we praise Messi, it's not like he's worthy of any praise, it's not like he's won the Balon D'or twice (probably 3 times) at 24 and taken the wee out of practically every good team or defence in the world many times over. By 24. Zidane is one of my favourite players but by at 24 he was miles and miles behind where Messi is now. What Messi is doing is spectacular.
I love the way some people are so blinkered and driven by goals and the current game to look backwards a little.
Zidane was sublime, an artist - his technique was phenominal. To say he wasn't a "match-winner" in the same way as Messi is because he didn't score anything like the same number of goals is pure ignorance - by this definition, anyone other than strikers should be considered.
As for Johan Cruyff - he was the integral part of a domestic (Ajax) and International wave which changed football forever.
And in both cases, they performed for their countries as well.....
Zidane was sublime, an artist - his technique was phenominal. To say he wasn't a "match-winner" in the same way as Messi is because he didn't score anything like the same number of goals is pure ignorance - by this definition, anyone other than strikers should be considered.
As for Johan Cruyff - he was the integral part of a domestic (Ajax) and International wave which changed football forever.
And in both cases, they performed for their countries as well.....
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Messi is the most effective footballer ever imo. Stats simply love him
But I don't think he's the best footballer ever when you take everything into account.
But I don't think he's the best footballer ever when you take everything into account.
I think Messi is the best player to ever because he still stands out even amongst unbelievable players like Ronaldo, Aguero, Silva, Rooney, Ibrahimovic and so on. His stats are phenomenal also.
Whilst he has yet to shine at international level i think that it is unfair to base him on that.
Whilst he has yet to shine at international level i think that it is unfair to base him on that.
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Nani, Carvahlo, Bosingwa, Danny, Pepe, Coeantrao, Meireles, Alves, Moutinho, Quaresma and Almeida are all great players.
same goes for
Aguero, Tevez, Milito, Zanetti, Cambiasso, Higuain, Mascherano, Pastore, Lavezzi and Di Maria
Argentina just lack decent defenders and a keeper.
it's not that they dont have great players around them, they do, it's just that the full squad is nowhere near the level it needs to be to win the world cup. these day's you need all 11 players to be world class. back in the day you could carry the weaker player's in today's game you can't.
i expect Brazil to be the next world champions, as Spain are missing a prolific scorer, David Villa is the only one on form and he was responsible last time for most of their goals, but i feel he is really only a supporting striker and needs a decent partner, so it's all going to be on Torres to step up and i doubt he will.
Brazil has a lot of young upcoming stars as well as experienced ones.
They will reign again and Neymar will shine.
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Firstly you don't need 11 great players to win a world cup, Pique is meh, Ramos frequently has horrific games at right back and isn't close to the best right back in the world, and same goes for left back.
What Spain had was balance, simple as that, Argentina don't have AS bad a defence are making out, they have a completely unbalanced OFFENCE, they struggled to score well in plenty of games over the past 6-8 years.
When you list Argentina's outfield you list, frequently, players who are all at different clubs, players who do not play together regularly, and with Argentina a CRAPLOAD of individuals and play makers, and not an awful lot of god damned hard workers. Pastore, Messi, Di Maria, Aguero, Tevez, you're listing a bunch of players who all like a lot of time on the ball and to be the ones dictating the play. Aguero and Tevez like to drop deep and pick up the ball, run at defences.
Milito played for years in a team that liked to lump the ball up to him on his own, while Messi plays in a team where the entire attack is always camped in the opposition half, intricate passing and playing off a striker, something Milito wouldn't really do at Inter.
Look at BY FAR the two best teams, Spain and Germany, you've got two teams who have entire sections of the pitch where all the players come from the same club, so play together 70 times a year, not 6-7 times a year in a constantly changing line up. Spain play like Barca, Germany play like Bayern, Argentina don't play like Real, or City, or Barca, or any one.
I mean look at England for balance, Gerrard + Lampard, lamps normally playing the deeper role and Gerrard being an individual who has zero discipline and goes all over(and despite the love of him from Liverpool, did Liverpool not get into their slump with a fit Gerrard, and go downhill under Benitez with Gerrard, and improve significantly without him?), no balance at all, no partnerships. Gerrard plays with a usually ultra defensive midfielder to balance their attacking style of play, Lampard did the same, England played them both, retarded. Now Lampard + Parker........ and you've got a pair similar to what both Liverpool and Chelsea had, Lampard came alive in the attacking role and Parker is better in the DM role than anyone we've stuck in there for the past decade.
It's NOT about putting the 11 biggest attacking/creative names together, which is basically what the Argentina side is, its about a balanced team with the right amount of balance, with enough creativity but not WAY to much.
What Spain had was balance, simple as that, Argentina don't have AS bad a defence are making out, they have a completely unbalanced OFFENCE, they struggled to score well in plenty of games over the past 6-8 years.
When you list Argentina's outfield you list, frequently, players who are all at different clubs, players who do not play together regularly, and with Argentina a CRAPLOAD of individuals and play makers, and not an awful lot of god damned hard workers. Pastore, Messi, Di Maria, Aguero, Tevez, you're listing a bunch of players who all like a lot of time on the ball and to be the ones dictating the play. Aguero and Tevez like to drop deep and pick up the ball, run at defences.
Milito played for years in a team that liked to lump the ball up to him on his own, while Messi plays in a team where the entire attack is always camped in the opposition half, intricate passing and playing off a striker, something Milito wouldn't really do at Inter.
Look at BY FAR the two best teams, Spain and Germany, you've got two teams who have entire sections of the pitch where all the players come from the same club, so play together 70 times a year, not 6-7 times a year in a constantly changing line up. Spain play like Barca, Germany play like Bayern, Argentina don't play like Real, or City, or Barca, or any one.
I mean look at England for balance, Gerrard + Lampard, lamps normally playing the deeper role and Gerrard being an individual who has zero discipline and goes all over(and despite the love of him from Liverpool, did Liverpool not get into their slump with a fit Gerrard, and go downhill under Benitez with Gerrard, and improve significantly without him?), no balance at all, no partnerships. Gerrard plays with a usually ultra defensive midfielder to balance their attacking style of play, Lampard did the same, England played them both, retarded. Now Lampard + Parker........ and you've got a pair similar to what both Liverpool and Chelsea had, Lampard came alive in the attacking role and Parker is better in the DM role than anyone we've stuck in there for the past decade.
It's NOT about putting the 11 biggest attacking/creative names together, which is basically what the Argentina side is, its about a balanced team with the right amount of balance, with enough creativity but not WAY to much.
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