Bank refusing to do a bank transfer for my elderly mother, are they being over zealous?

They are taking the stance of better safe than sorry. Which is the correct course of action to take.

I would think they are not objecting the transfer of funds, but the process that your mother has done and the way she has told them. The lack of paperwork part probably has trigger the biggest of red flags.

I would expect if this is done through a solicitor, it would not have such issue.
 
Thanks for the answers all sorry I am not replying to everyone. So the majority think the bank are right? It perplexes me how just because it is an elderly person (with all their marbles, she is very careful on what she spends on) is treated differently to me who was able to buy a vehicle having not seen it not seen the business not spoken to the owner in person and was paying £15k. Is it fair to judge all old people the same because some aren't able to to conduct their financial affairs? Surely they can work out when they are speaking to someone if they are able to handle themselves or not? Plus I spoke to the fraud team person and I'm not elderly (not far off though :( :D) and explained everything.
1. The bank doesn’t know your mother and are not in a position to judge her mental capabilities. What they know is that elderly people get scammed on a regular basis.

2. The bank doesn’t know if the person on the other end of the line (you) is actually a trust worthy person or just the scammer trying to get the fraud team to release the money.
 
It perplexes me how just because it is an elderly person (with all their marbles, she is very careful on what she spends on) is treated differently to me who was able to buy a vehicle having not seen it not seen the business not spoken to the owner in person and was paying £15k. Is it fair to judge all old people the same because some aren't able to to conduct their financial affairs? Surely they can work out when they are speaking to someone if they are able to handle themselves or not? Plus I spoke to the fraud team person and I'm not elderly (not far off though :( :D) and explained everything.

You're (wrongly imo) assuming that the only reason they're treating this situation differently, is because she's elderly.

I suggest you step back a bit and think about what the risks could be and what your (safer) alternatives could be to complete the purchase.
 
You're (wrongly imo) assuming that the only reason they're treating this situation differently, is because she's elderly.

I suggest you step back a bit and think about what the risks could be and what your (safer) alternatives could be to complete the purchase.

Just imagine the responses if you posted a thread on here asking about the situation as described:

Hi guys, i'm looking to purchase a static caravan in a caravan park and wanted to double check this is all good before proceeding...

I'm purchasing the caravan from the owner but the sale is being handled by the owner of the caravan site, not the actual caravan owner.
The caravan owner has given me the bank details of the site owner's business to make payment to.
The payment is expected to be made in full prior to completion of any paperwork, safety checks (by the site owners caretaker) or indeed exchange of keys.

Is there anything that could go wrong?

PS. I've been inside the caravan and the site office.
 
OK OK guys I do see the points! 1 thing that I sticks with me though is that this thread wouldn't have happened had she not been 76. But yes I see your points, the wrong ending would be terrible for sure! I hope to update this post in a few days to say I was right all along it wasn't a scam :D
 
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OK OK guys I do see the points! 1 thing that I sticks with me though is that this thread wouldn't have happened had she not been 76. But yes I see your points, the wrong ending would be terrible for sure! I hope to update this post in a few days to say I was right all along it wasn't a scam :D

I don't think age has anything to do with it... my bank allows me to deposit transfer £100s and £1000s in one go to my trading accounts no issue.
I tried to deposit £50 pounds to my betfred account and they halted it; not my normal £5-10 pounds, called them up to get it cleared and they was like; ok we have to transfer your call to "another" team.

I had to go though the ringer asking if I had a gambling issue and all sorts.. lol... I had to explain that normally my betting account has a certain amount and I'm just topping up. No I don't have a gambling issue, I place £1-2 pound bets on to keep games intreasting and the world cup is on at the moment and there's 3-4 games per game and I recently placed a few bigger than normal seasonal bets on that hasn't finished hence the larger than normal deposit.
 
It could have just been highlighted due to the area or the name of the business that coincides with a known red flag.

Yes, the transfer may not match the details she has put in. You know like when you put in Mr John Smith and then a sort code, it tries to match it on my app and then says a tick as to whether it matches what they have on record. I then get a choice to proceed if I want, with lots of risks. I've had to bypass this a few times when I know the name but I'm spelling it slightly wrong or using the initial instead of the entire first name or something like that. It could be that the large amount plus something else triggered safety systems.
Maybe this business are marked as @The_Arbiter says.
 
These static caravans are a common scam and probably why the bank is having none of it. Also £10k seems extremely cheap for a static caravan on the coast, anywhere at all come to that. There is a static caravan site near here where this scam was going on. Different people were "buying" the same caravan several times and the actual owner of the caravan didn't know anything about it until someone tried to move in. Many people lost a great deal of money with that one.
 
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My mum is in the process of buying a static caravan for £10k on a well presented caravan park on the North Wales coast.

She is happy to make payment now and then go to sort out the paperwork, key transfer, etc after the safety checks are done by the sites caretaker.
I'd want paperwork and safety checks done prior to handing over cash.. you ask yourself the simple question, if the paper work throws up a problem (like all the additional ground rent/storage and other crazy high fees are revealed, or other non favourable terms in writing) or the safety checks highlight a problem then if you've already handed over your cash in what is effectively a sale with very little protection what motivation does the seller(s) have to address the problems?

The sale is being handled by the site owner as per the rules of the site.
Just google a bit and see the issue with site owners rules about them handling the sales.. it's absolutely rife with problems, crazy fees, them setting the selling price or what offers they will accept, etc..

She rings Barclays to make a bank transfer over the phone, gets put through to the fraud team
She should have gone in person to the branch.. she'd still get the third degree and they would be deeply suspicious but showing/proving identity in person is always easier.. over the phone? expect fraud departments to be on red-alert.


I transfered £15k to a reputable business for a motorbike in 2023 for a bike I had never even seen and was delivered to me no problem a week later. I was asked no questions.
You have much better protection in this scenario, and the key here is 'reputable business'.. the banks will know this and so happy to let it through.. My very elderly mother transferred £15k to the local VW Dealer with zero questions from the bank..
In contrast, I bought a car second hand and on picking up, I checked the car was still there, did my background checks on the seller, had the car inspected, and even was given the keys prior to going to the local branch of my bank to transfer the money, yet the branch made me jump through hoops, from double checking my identity (using my card/pin and showing other forms of ID) to going through 5 or 6 different 'scams' and even handed me a piece of paper with instructions on what to say if I was being coerced and could not talk openly.. It was annoying on one hand, but clearly its the level of scrutiny private transfers can attract..


The caravan site owner has never encountered anything like this she said.
Sure.. of course he hasn't.. the number of mis-sold and fraudulent scams going on these sites, the number of issues with 'site rules' over selling and he's never encountered anything like this before?

I'd calm down, and assuming you have done your research and have everything in writing about the caravan, fees, ground rents, selling rules and fees etc and still happy for your mum to proceed, then get her to go in to a branch with several forms of ID and they have no way to really stop you but will still question everything.
 
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As much as it's frustrating, take a step back and consider whether you'd rather be posting "Damn Barclay's are making it hard for my elderly mother to send someone £10,000 to buy a caravan before any paperwork has been done" or "Damn, my mother just got conned out of £10,000 trying to buy a caravan with no paperwork and Barclay's didn't even try to stop her".

I would also be wholly unsurprised if your mother isn't making it sound like the most legit deal in history if there's mention of sorting out paperwork and safety checks AFTER paying for the caravan. Payment upfront from an elderly person with no paperwork in place is probably setting off every fraud alarm bell they have.

Perhaps you'll need to visit a branch with her?
Pretty much this. People want banks to be liable to pay back fraudulent transactions but dont want banks trying to help stop fraudulent transactions. Cant have it both ways.
 
There have been news article about this recently, which is why banks are being extra cautious - I'd read up on it as some quite clever scams either mis-selling static caravans (i.e. can't actually be lived in as a home) or outright scam sales or scam rentals or holidays, etc.
 
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Welcome to the modern world.

Banks can be real idiots these days. The problem is that they don't really have any way to identify who you are.

Once they become suspicious then they just shut off all avenues and can indeed completely lock your accounts, until you find some way to prove who you are.

If you happen to be in a tight spot at the time (you lost your passport or birth certificate or something) then you can find yourself completely locked out of your accounts for a month or two.

That happened to me once, so I now have two bank accounts, to reduce likelihood of me being left with no money. In my case, I am not sure what I did wrong, but they completely locked my accounts at 3pm on a Friday afternoon.

And don't misunderstand why the banks do this. They are not protecting you, they are protecting themselves. They don't give a flying **** about you and the problems they present you with if they lock your accounts.

The upshot of this is don't contact the bank. Don't push it or they just get worse. The more you phone them, the more likely they are to just lock everything and they are not in the slightest bit apologetic about it. Phone your local bank and arrange to get the money in cash.
 
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Thanks for the replies everyone I have read them all even if I haven't directly replied.

So my mum went to the caravan park again a couple of days ago, met 1 of the owners in the site office and did the bank transfer, got keys to the caravan (they were the keys because she used them to enter the caravan) but no paperwork yet. A mother/brother/sister own the park, my mum was dealt with by the brother who told my mum it was his sister who does the paperwork but she's not on the site until next week.

My mum text the sister to confirm the money was in the account which she confirmed. So yeh no paperwork at the moment but have the keys and a text confirmation they have the money. Hope it's not a scam, I don't think it is.
 
They couldn't have the paperwork ready by now but you originally tried to buy it on weds?

would you buy a car without the paperwork because someone has the key? you probably should have paid like a 10% deposit or nothing and the rest when you can get the paperwork.

you even get a receipt or just the text confirmation?
good luck though
 
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