Take the Falklands for example, without being an overseas British territory they'd have been snuffled up by Argentina. I dare say it cost more than it was financially worth to save them but it sent a message not to **** with us or our territories. Interestingly the other day I saw on my Youtube feed that we had successfully managed to nuke the US twice during research training drills. The fact we were asked at the time to take part and the outcome we achieved means we get a certain amount of clout and regard / taken seriously.
Barbados gains independence.
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The thread title was changed completely from what I had originally put about getting rid of Queen Elizabeth, to some nonsense about independence, presumably by someone who clearly had no knowledge it had been independent since 1966...
Which mod is going to own up to it?
Considering that most free countries like the USA became independent precisely by throwing off the British Empire, I'd say that the freedom is despite the British Empire that largely trod over the rights of the average British citizens.
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Are you really going to bemoan the British and their slaves and praise the USA in the same breath. You are so deluded.
I'll give you that one, mods must condemn.... oh wait
It's not just about personal freedoms though, the past prevented us from being some down trodden third world with a much poorer standard of living.
Not all of the US wanted independence and some would argue that what they have now in terms of dog eat dog capitalism doesn't make their standards richer than ours.
Who is praising the USA? Did you quote the wrong person?
There seems to be a lot of people with hurt feelings in this thread because the Queen had been criticised.
The mediocrity so apparent in posters complaining about my "attitude" is startling, can't criticise substance I guess we resort to ad hominem lol.
The UK was late to the party when it came to slavery abolitionism sadly.
Ha ha!
We were instrumental in stopping it, without the royal navy it would have gone on for years and years longer.
Go read a history book.
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Rewriting history now? Lol the UK was actually early to that particular party, but don't let the facts get in the way of a crazy rant.
Without personal freedoms though, all else pales in significance, look at China.
Someone's been watching PragerU...
Rewriting history now? Lol the UK was actually early to that particular party, but don't let the facts get in the way of a crazy rant.
A few hundred/thousand years late lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom
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Nothing the royal navy was the defacto world force, of course this is an unpopular fact that some choose to ignore.
Since when did anyone in the UK not have personal freedoms though or that were only comparable to China?
Some big names there ..like Denmark... Russia rebranded slaves, France banned and then re introduced it.
Looks like we were really super late and did bugger all afterwards.
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Surely you jest? I dont think any nation on earth done more than the British empire did to end slavery, just look at the numbers involved, the debt incurred was only paid off 10 years ago, let alone the human cost of the lost navy personnel, has there been any conflict since where more personal have been lost aside from WW2 and WW2?
Yet ALL blame is laid at the feet of the west, zero blame to the actual sellers of these people into slavery (other tribes they were at war with) or the first slave owner in the USA who was black himself.
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Yea I know, I've been here a fair time, Im certainly not in the "refugees welcome" gang myself.
My view on the monarchy is very simple, its a waste of money, and an outdated tradition that should be resigned to the history books.
I've always found the Americans in florida extremely pleasant.
Yeah, India 2000 years ago, tiny subcontinent...
Guess Denmark abolishing it hundreds of years before we did, and Mexico and all the northern USA states abolishing it decades before we did doesn't count because we were bigger though?
Gay people until recent times. Didn't see Queen Elizabeth II doing much to really help with that either, like you know, not giving royal assent to homophobic legislation.
Yeah, again, who is blaming the west for slavery given it's ancient roots? Just not seeing it.
I can't believe the "first slave owner in the USA was black" myth is still doing the rounds. Wtf?!
Fact of the matter is that whilst the UK was one prominent country to call for slavery abolition (after numerous others), it massively expanded the scope of slavery and the slave trade before doing so, which is all too quickly forgotten by the conservative, colonialist political narrative.
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So a small section of society prior to 1967 had some inequality in terms of freedom to exercise their sexuality openly. I'll give you that one in the sense it was one aspect of personal freedoms. On the other hand those same people had the same personal freedoms in terms of other personal freedoms such as receiving a state education and to explore opportunities to better themselves career wise etc.
Yes, I was been sarcastic to another poster.
"Some inequality", is a euphemistic way to put horrific legal persecution including execution against those even accused of it. And no it did not stop in 1967, not even in name.
And I don't think half the population being unable to even vote really supports the democracy narrative either.
But speaking generally most of the nation weren't homosexual so the nation as it was then mostly enjoyed personal freedoms far in excess from that akin to slavery or the Chinese.
Ah some northern states, but not the US... remind me how that worked out.
You jest at India and it's caste system plus there are over 1 million in slavery still in India the largest slave population in the world...but yeah
Care to point out that 2,000 years ago Indians stopped with slavery?
1792 Denmark , 1832 UK...hundreds of years? ?????
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