Baxter Mixes Live Bird Flu Virus with Seasonal Flu And Ships it to other Labs

Teki187 said:
Well my opinion isn't Conspiracy, just like to point that out.

Ok that's a valid point, so what are the chances of a independent drugs company with no interests in selling medication other then this flu jab starting up? Surely creating a business with 1 sole purpose and 1 form of income which is short lived is extremely poor in judgement?

I guess for this possible outcome to arrise, the government would act as the virtual drugs company and purchase the rights to make the drug.
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The bbc article says the drug is developed by http://www.acambis.com/

..they appear to attempting to create a range of vaccines. I wouldn't call developing vaccines "poor in judgement" myself. Not all pharma's are trying to corner every market. There is a very very good chance that this vaccine would not be in competition with any of acambis's other products and so it makes perfect sense.
 
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Keltik THC said:
a mod just posted that he had edited my OP!

i shall repeat myself:



nope, nothing to do with vaccines, just a vaccine producing company having a laugh, just like they did at porten down when they 'accidently' flushed foot and mouth out into the countryside. lol.

oh well, im off, im not trying to say that 'oh my god this is a conspiracy', i mean read my OP - i just said i was surpirsed and concerned about this and that i may be a bit cynical that a vaccine producing company had done the one thing that could have resulted into the development of a human strain of bird flu. So once again man, stop slandering me and trying to paint me as some sort of conspiracy nut, im only going off what ive read, just because you disagree with me doesnt mean you have to result in personal slants against me.
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And if you go to "Natural News" and click the link to lifegen.de it gives you this source:-

There is no excuse. According to the scientific network PROMED, Baxter International Inc. in Austria "unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in 3 neighbouring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease". Austria, Germany, Slowenia and the Czech Republic - these are the countries in which labs were hit with dangerous viruses. Not by bioterrorist commandos, but by Baxter. In other words: One of the major global pharmaceutical players seems to have lost control over a virus which is considered by many virologists to be one of the components leading some day to a new pandemic. Was it H5N1, or the even more risky H3N2? And what about the BSL3-Standards Baxter is operating when handling the viruses? What happened? And who failed? by Vlad Georgescu
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Different yes?

Not a vaccine and was sent to 3 labs.

No mention of vaccines, or 18 countries, or medical distributors.
 
[FnG]magnolia;13722847 said:
Please, pelase tell me that you've never had anything to do with theoretical Economics or - far more importantly and more worryingly - real business.

Your thoughts on the function of business could have been written by a toddler. Do you have the least idea of just how complicated the Pharmaceutical industry is? Actually, come to that - what is your background? What do you do for a living, Teki? A broad description is fine because it sure as **** is nothing - NOTHING - to do with the healthcare sector, Pharm companies, drug tariff settlements or anything else which touches on the things you claim to be so close to.

Go conspire somewhere else, where it is much harder for you to be shot down. Aliens might be a better bet than Pharmaceuticals :rolleyes:
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What on earth does me speculating about a topic have anything to do with whether I'm qualified or not?

speculating

b: to review something idly or casually and often inconclusively (Link)

So i can't formulate an opinion unless i have a degree in opinion making?

Don't drag a discussion down because you have nothing to contribute.

:rolleyes:
 
masterluke said:
The bbc article says the drug is developed by http://www.acambis.com/

..they appear to attempting to create a range of vaccines. I wouldn't call developing vaccines "poor in judgement" myself. Not all pharma's are trying to corner every market. There is a very very good chance that this vaccine would not be in competition with any of acambis's other products and so it makes perfect sense.
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Hmm, thank you.
 
Jokester said:
Not a vaccine and was sent to 3 labs.

No mention of vaccines, or 18 countries, or medical distributors.
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Vaccine material my freind, Baxter is a Vaccine producing company - what do you think they are using live viruses for?

Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. has just been caught shipping live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries.
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also here: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2191

i mean, i dont know what more you want, its obviously not going to be on the BBC, as i said their is a mainstream media blackout on this.
 
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Teki187 said:
What on earth does me speculating about a topic have anything to do with whether I'm qualified or not?

speculating

b: to review something idly or casually and often inconclusively (Link)

So i can't formulate an opinion unless i have a degree in opinion making?

Don't drag a discussion down because you have nothing to contribute.

:rolleyes:
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My point is that you have clearly no idea of what you are talking about in regards to the economics of pharmaceuticals. I don't mean that to be rude, it's just a fact.

By all means speculate, that's fine. But please don't get upset when you're corrected by very easily verifiable information which contradicts your own.
 
Keltik THC said:
Vaccine material my freind, Baxter is a Vaccine producing company - what do you think they are using live viruses for?
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For experimentation. How do you think they develop vaccines in the first place? It takes years of research, development and testing before a company is given approval to use vaccines in humans.

And yet the link in that article (with the title "Vaccines as Biological Weapons?"...) then refers back to an article to try and back up its claims but instead doesn't provide any backup at all to it's central claims of it being vaccines for distribution.
 
[FnG]magnolia;13722914 said:
My point is that you have clearly no idea of what you are talking about in regards to the economics of pharmaceuticals. I don't mean that to be rude, it's just a fact.

By all means speculate, that's fine. But please don't get upset when you're corrected by very easily verifiable information which contradicts your own.
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Clearly i don't get upset, since i just thanked someone above for pointing out another side of the industry i wasn't aware of. ;)
 
Keltik THC said:
i mean, i dont know what more you want, its obviously not going to be on the BBC, as i said their is a mainstream media blackout on this.
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ok so apart from all the pharmaceuticals and media.. who else is involved in the cover up?

EDIT - im guessing that the earlier speculation that ocuk was involved in it have been shown to be premature now?
 
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Teki187 said:
That will NEVER be released.

Imagine the revenue lost to drug companies through the loss of sales of flu medication like Lemsip and so on.
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It's also worth pointing out that Lemsip and indeed most of the other medications commonly available are indicated for the relief of symptoms of both common cold and flu. While I'm no expert, I suspect incidence of common cold far outweighs that of flu, so I doubt the makers of Lemsip, Beechams et al would lose much sleep over a flu vaccine (which would do nothing for the common cold).

Granted, the makers of Tamiflu might not be so happy about it.
 
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[FnG]magnolia;13722739 said:
Whilst you're on, could you pelase answer my question regarding your "family" who are virologists, their qualifications, areas of research, and if they're published or not? Thanks :)
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Keltik THC - Any update on this? Or just keen to let it slide like so many of the things you find problematic to respond to? :)
 
personally I'm somewhere inbetween on just how serious it is. You can all ignore the opps pointless argument on censorship, the actual story linked to from a news source mentions nothing on vaccines. The news story itself says what it says but its a little easy to brush it under the carpet.

the op said the idea of mixing something meant for humans and the bird flu isn't a hugely good idea. Now keep this in mind, no the material wasn't meant for human use, or using as a vaccine but for testing on animals. The problem however is they did infact mix these two substance in a live subject, all be it animal. I don't know enough about the animal in question and the likelyhood or possibility of being able to transmit the virus to humans via a bite. Someone unknowningly gets infected, leaves the lab before seeming sick and infects others.

It is a pretty massive oversight. What if someone accidentally drops a vial it cracks and as they go to pick it up being lazy and not careful enough they cut themselves on the glass and get infected.

The likelyhood is very small, obviously, but the possibly outcomes from accidents are still there, even if theres no possibility of purposely using the material on human subjects.

While the danger the op and maybe one/two others is being massively overstated, the complete lack of risk isn't quite accurate either.


Personally I think its utterly barbaric to infect animals with diseases just to see if we can cure them, but thats a whole other kettle of fish.
 
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