BBC document on Covid (Health Service) and Racism

Tony Edwards said:
Thats not really a good or even understandable argument.
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Not understandable to someone who believes in biological group identity. But very understandable to anyone who understands the idea of "a person" and can tell the difference between people who are alive and people who are dead.
 
Angilion said:
Not understandable to someone who believes in biological group identity. But very understandable to anyone who understands the idea of "a person" and can tell the difference between people who are alive and people who are dead.
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What you mean is understandable to those that dont think racism is a problem got ya.
 
Tony Edwards said:
What you mean is understandable to those that dont think racism is a problem got ya.
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No, it means what it said. But you believe in biological group identity, so you can't understand it because it requires understanding the concept of "a person" and that's mutually exclusive with belief in biological group identity.
 
I get the feeling Tony would be a bit disappointed and lost if there was no racism in the world.

His sole purpose in life seems to be seeking it out and campaigning against it (even where it doesn’t exist). If there was no racism, what would he do with himself and what would he argue about on here.
 
robfosters said:
I get the feeling Tony would be a bit disappointed and lost if there was no racism in the world.

His sole purpose in life seems to be seeking it out and campaigning against it (even where it doesn’t exist). If there was no racism, what would he do with himself and what would he argue about on here.
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There are many more idiotic beliefs than just racism around here. Im going to be honest before I signed up here I thought racism was better understood.
Angilion said:
Yes, you don't understand the concept of "a person". Which means that you can't really tell the difference between past and present.
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What has that got to do with historic systemic racism?

Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded as normal practice within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues. It is important to recognize the harmful affects that institutional racism can have on people especially students in schools where it is prominent.

The term institutional racism was first coined in 1967 by Stokely Carmichael and Charles V. Hamilton in Black Power: The Politics of Liberation.[2] Carmichael and Hamilton wrote that while individual racism is often identifiable because of its overt nature, institutional racism is less perceptible because of its "less overt, far more subtle" nature. Institutional racism "originates in the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and thus receives far less public condemnation than [individual racism]".

Institutional racism was defined by Sir William Macpherson in the UK's Lawrence report (1999) as: "The collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour that amount to discrimination through prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness, and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."
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robfosters said:
I get the feeling Tony would be a bit disappointed and lost if there was no racism in the world.

His sole purpose in life seems to be seeking it out and campaigning against it (even where it doesn’t exist). If there was no racism, what would he do with himself and what would he argue about on here.
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But there will always be racism in the world as long as there are people who believe in race, so he'll never have that problem because he believes in race.

Besides, there are plenty of people who campaign against things that don't exist. Flat earthers. Moon landing hoax believers. Campaigners against tracking chips being injected with vaccines. Campaigners against covid-19 being spread by 5G. Etc, etc.
 
Angilion said:
Yes, you don't understand the concept of "a person". Which means that you can't really tell the difference between past and present.
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It’s a common trait with the anti lot.

Dead white man was racist

Alive white man must still be racist

Completely ignores the natural evolution of attitudes as a society becomes more advanced and diverse over many years.
 
Angilion said:
But there will always be racism in the world as long as there are people who believe in race, so he'll never have that problem because he believes in race.

Besides, there are plenty of people who campaign against things that don't exist. Flat earthers. Moon landing hoax believers. Campaigners against tracking chips being injected with vaccines. Campaigners against covid-19 being spread by 5G. Etc, etc.
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And there are those that say that racism doesnt exist.
robfosters said:
It’s a common trait with the anti lot.

Dead white man was racist

Alive white man must still be racist

Completely ignores the natural evolution of attitudes as a society becomes more advanced and diverse over many years.
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Things change because people protest about them. If it was down to people like you, women still wouldnt have a vote and people wouldnt have a problem with statues of slave traders.
 
Tony Edwards said:
What you mean is understandable to those that dont think racism is a problem got ya.
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Ok, let's talk about racism.

Terror deaths UK 2000 - present:

Islam 84
All others 3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain#2000s

^There’s an actual, demonstrable, verifiable, body-count. Not deliberate vagueries about systemic institutional systems of systemic institutionionalisms – actual ******* corpses!

Can’t wait to hear how this doesn’t count.
 
Tony Edwards said:
And there are those that say that racism doesnt exist.
Things change because people protest about them. If it was down to people like you, women still wouldnt have a vote and people wouldnt have a problem with statues of slave traders.
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That’s where you are plain wrong. Since I was old enough to understand I have always felt that it was abhorrent that women are denied the right to vote.

A few posts back and forth and you have me down as a woman hating nazi.
 
robfosters said:
That’s where you are plain wrong. Since I was old enough to understand I have always felt that it was abhorrent that women are denied the right to vote.
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Haha I hope that was missing an :p at the end.
Skunkworks said:
Ok, let's talk about racism.

Terror deaths UK 2000 - present:

Islam 84
All others 3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain#2000s

^There’s an actual, demonstrable, verifiable, body-count. Not deliberate vagueries about systemic institutional systems of systemic institutionionalisms – actual ******* corpses!

Can’t wait to hear how this doesn’t count.
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Ah man. Really?
 
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