BBC News HD no longer available on Freeview from 30th June 2022

Puzzled said:
I know the time of freeview is coming to an end but shame they are getting rid of some of the few remaining hd channels.
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Maybe in the big picture, but not this decade:

“Protect traditional TV & radio” say the British people as Broadcast 2040+ campaign launches

A campaign to safeguard digital terrestrial TV and radio launches today as new research by Ipsos shows that 9 in 10 people (90%) across Great Britain want to see continued support for these services.
www.arqiva.com
 
Bluecube said:
It is? That’s news to me. I know it’s a bit crap but to actually bin it? Can’t see that happening as there are plenty of people without Sky and internet that like to watch TV
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Coming to an end was the wrong term, on the decline I suppose is more appropriate.

While other countries are looking at OTA 4k channels we are reducing the small number of HD channels available.
 
throwaway4372 said:
BBC News HD no longer available on Freeview from 30th June 2022

Channel Changes and closures on Freeview on 29th & 30th June

On 29th & 30th June 2022 there are changes being made to the way some channels are currently broadcast.
www.freeview.co.uk www.freeview.co.uk

Options:
- watch the SD channel (lol no)
- use iPlayer
- stop watching BBC News

I'm very surprised that a main channel would just die off like this. Gonna pee off a lot of people.
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Don't watch BBC but interested in the reasons behind it, spent too much money on the jolly called Glastonbury?
 
Isn't broadcasting glastonbury part of the BBC public remit , like the jubilee/england football .... better to put money into that than (never watched) strictly
the 320kb/s IP stream radio broadcasts (better than streamed/freeview video footage, youtube, base spotify) do sound good
- still have killers+cure from previous years on car usb, not sure eilish/mccarteny will have same impact.
 
Its still on Freesat which does a couple of hundred channels as opposed to the barely-there dozen or so on Freeview, not that its worth it even bloomin' Sky News is a better watch which is incidently FTA.
 

Freeview channel switch-off is coming - RXTV

In June, over a dozen Freeview channels will move or close, as an entire Freeview multiplex is closed to make way for 5G mobile services.
rxtvinfo.com rxtvinfo.com

I posted this in a previous thread but yeah, a multiplex was set up for HD experimentation and it was known back then that the setup was temporary due to 5G taking over the allocated spectrum. That time has come.
 
The only time I've switched to free view was when ch4 HD briefly left Freesat.
I found the EPG through my LG was awful on Freeview compared to Freesat.
If we watch any news, which is not often, then it is always local ITV who seem to cover local stories as compared to the bbc.
 
LabR@t said:
Don't watch BBC but interested in the reasons behind it, spent too much money on the jolly called Glastonbury?
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Not really the BBC driving it at all - a shared multiplex that carried lots of channels is closing to make way for more 4G/5G frequencies. Among the channels on that multiplex, the BBC have relocated several and closed a few. Other providers have also had to find somewhere to move to or close permanently.
 
BowdonUK said:
I think eventually we'll get all our tv via broadband.

I think Freeview was the last gasp of air transmission of the technology.
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Seems logical to me. I actually emailed Freeview to ask if they would do it. I believe Sky are going this way too with a stand-alone Stream Puck following Glass. Although I think Sky is very expensive.
 
BowdonUK said:
I think eventually we'll get all our tv via broadband.
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Kinda surprised it's taken this long. I had Kingston Interactive TV (KIT) 20+ years ago via ADSL, which was pretty good, but required better internet than most people had.

Kingston Communications, a regional telecommunications operator in the UK, launched Kingston Interactive Television (KIT), an IPTV over digital subscriber line (DSL) service in September 1999. The operator added additional VoD service in October 2001 with Yes TV, a VoD content provider. Kingston was one of the first companies in the world to introduce IPTV and IP VoD over ADSL as a commercial service. The service became the reference for various changes to UK Government regulations and policy on IPTV. In 2006, the KIT service was discontinued, subscribers having declined from a peak of 10,000 to 4,000.
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throwaway4372 said:
Kinda surprised it's taken this long. I had Kingston Interactive TV (KIT) 20+ years ago via ADSL, which was pretty good, but required better internet than most people had.
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I remember when Freeview and DAB first became a thing. They managed to give us more channels. But the problem with digital is that a channel is either working or becomes so distorted its difficult to watch. Also many areas can't get all the channels. In my situation I've had a bigger aerial installed and is looking at the Winter Hill transmitter which carries many more channels than my local transmitter. So Freeview can't even give all the country the same amount of channels.

I think there are a few broadband based systems out there these days. Also smart tv's have the capability to have internet only channels and apps.

On the OP subject, I've noticed that the BBC News HD channel is on 107 which isn't that intuative considering the first 5 channels, BBC1, BBC2, ITV1, C4, and C5 all have the easy to remember number matches.

For example BBC1 SD is 1 and HD is 101. BBC2 SD is 2 and HD is 102 etc. But BBC News SD is 231 while HD is 107.
 
Another thing I didn't understand with the BBC. When something major happened - such as a major celebrity/politician dies or a major incident happens, they cancel whatever BBC 1 was going to broadcast at 9pm, get reporters on the scene who don't have every bit of info. News presenter asks how many have died. News reporter says they haven't got the info. Then presenter rephrases the question to how many victims. Reporter doesn't know.

Then when it comes to 10pm, the News at 10 is on and spend at least three quarters of the time about the breaking news story!! Why did the BBC drop the 9pm programme for this? Just put a banner on the 9pm programme with incident, with for more info go to BBC News channel listing the numbers for each service.

This presentation of the news is unprofessional imo.
 
BowdonUK said:
I think eventually we'll get all our tv via broadband.

I think Freeview was the last gasp of air transmission of the technology.
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Eventually, but that could be quite a long time as it won't happen until it's at least as easy to put a streaming TV into place with as little additional cost, as it is to put a broadcast receiving TV in place.

Not everyone has every room set up for internet, and you still very rapidly run into capacity issues with wifi even with the latest versions if you're throwing multiple HD type streams about, especially if you're in say ablock of flats where you might have anything up to 8+ neighbours within a few meters who are also doing the same.

Broadcast TV still has the advantage that it's extremely simple to set up a receiver, that you don't get any contention if you're in an area with a lot of people using it, and it is still usable in most of the really remote areas unlike any form of internet connection reliant service where you may still be stuck on dial up, really low speed DSL or something like satellite where your connection may be slow and on a low bandwidth cap.
 
Werewolf said:
Eventually, but that could be quite a long time as it won't happen until it's at least as easy to put a streaming TV into place with as little additional cost, as it is to put a broadcast receiving TV in place.

Not everyone has every room set up for internet, and you still very rapidly run into capacity issues with wifi even with the latest versions if you're throwing multiple HD type streams about, especially if you're in say ablock of flats where you might have anything up to 8+ neighbours within a few meters who are also doing the same.

Broadcast TV still has the advantage that it's extremely simple to set up a receiver, that you don't get any contention if you're in an area with a lot of people using it, and it is still usable in most of the really remote areas unlike any form of internet connection reliant service where you may still be stuck on dial up, really low speed DSL or something like satellite where your connection may be slow and on a low bandwidth cap.
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I think the simple setting up of Freeview and the easily to upgrade transmitters was why it was used, and of course the ability to increase the number of channels that are available.

Though with the copper line phone service being turned off eventually, the first mile stone is 2025, everyone will have to have cable or full fibre installed even if they aren't using broadband.

On the full fibre side at the moment the aim is to give people the option of 1GB connections. But the technology is already there to increase this to 10GB connections once the full rollout of the 1GB service is completed.

According to the freeview website: https://www.freeview.co.uk/help/broadband-speed

To watch programmes in standard definition (SD), you’ll need a broadband speed of at least 2Mbps. For high definition (HD) viewing you'll need at least 3Mbps.

The good news for most of us is, our broadband speed is usually well above this.
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