BBC possibly to drop F1 coverage...

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And that completely ignores the majority who'd absolutely hate to watch a delayed show. Completely removes all life from it.

You don't see the deal because you have Sky Sports.
Imagine if you hated all other sport and didn't have Sky. Would you be over the moon and absolutely delighted with this news? It's a load of **** for the majority of people, that fact can NOT be ignored.
 
Tombstone said:
It will be interesting to bookmark this thread though and see how many of the "I'm not getting sky" folks actually do get sky next year. It does have a little deja vu about it, I remember having these same conversations with my friends when Sky first came along regarding the football, today many years later, every one of those particular friends now has Sky and loves it for the football.
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Please do, I have sky and won;t be paying the extra for the sports even though I also like football. And football is a different beast entirely, You get usually at least 3 games every weekend plus between 2-4 midweek. If you like ALL football its a great deal.

Since I can watch 10 live races for free, I'd have to pay £20 a month extra just to see 10 more races live. If I wont pay it to watch the football and get so much I sure as hell won't pay it for 10 bloody races.
 
Jono8 said:
I think you underestimate how big a fan base the UK has. As has been said, Valencia, the most boring race this season had 3.9 million viewers in the UK...If the USA, a country with a much larger population than the UK only has an average viewer number of 800k then it starts to become clear that it could be a big problem for viewing figures.
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Ok, so lets say for instance the total average viewers for next year on sky and bbc combined for a race drops to 1 million, which are these sponsors that it will bother?

Geniune question.

I would imagine myself the only ones that would be interested would be UK companies sponsoring teams or drivers. Surely they are looking at other markets now?

I don't see it making much difference tbh.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Ok, so lets say for instance the total average viewers for next year on sky and bbc combined for a race drops to 1 million, which are these sponsors that it will bother?

Geniune question.

I would imagine myself the only ones that would be interested would be UK companies sponsoring teams or drivers. Surely they are looking at other markets now?

I don't see it making much difference tbh.
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What losing the fanbase of the worlds 6th largest economy and home of most of the F1 teams?

If i was a sponsor i would probably take that quite seriously.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Which sponsors would run for the hills and why? It's just the uk, when canada had no f1 driver their figures plummeted to below a million. F1 didn't suddenly go into armegeddon.

Chatting with a mate who lives in the states about this and how the viewing figures would plummet he mentioned the average viewing figure in the states is 800k. Not sure how true that is.

I think we are all peed off about this but overstating our worth to causing trouble for f1 when the viewing figures dip.

Until I hear some of the massive sponsors like Vodafone etc moaning I have little reason to think the sponsors will be that upset.
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F1 is mainly a euro series though (yes I know there are a few more nationalities now, but in general and historically 90% of the drivers or more are usually european)

Not to mention most of the teams are based in the UK, and most of the advertising is based around UK advertising ( advertisers arent going to base non-euro adverts around F1 in a region ....for example Turkey.....who traditionally dont get interested in F1.....overly exaggerated I know but just to explain an idea)

I can certainly see vast potential for sponsors to be upset - but I also think it will be too late to do anything (ie it will be next year or the year after when they will get a true picture)


yet more ad breaks - which might compensate sponsors - but will infuriate viewers.
 
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englishpremier said:
Vodafone. British company sponsoring the lead British team.

It must make F1 a little less attractive to red bull. The UK is a large market.
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Shamelessly stolen from wiki..

Vodafone Group plc is a global telecommunications company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. It is the world's largest mobile telecommunications company measured by revenues and the world's second-largest measured by subscribers (behind China Mobile), with around 341 million proportionate subscribers as of November 2010. It operates networks in over 30 countries and has partner networks in over 40 additional countries.[6] It owns 45% of Verizon Wireless, the largest mobile telecommunications company in the United States measured by subscribers.

My point being just because they are based in London doesn't mean anything to where their market share is. They are huge in the states (verizon) and I don't remember them crying about not holding a US gp anymore???
With 341m subscribers I imagie they have much bigger markets than the uk to worry about?

As for Red Bull they have the market here, surely they also have more than enough advertising going on not to worry about a tv audience dipping 4 million max. Surely the whole strategy for Red Bull was not even the uk market?
 
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dannyjo22 said:
My point being just because they are based in London doesn't mean anything to where their market share is. They are huge in the states (verizon) and I don't remember them crying about not holding a US gp anymore???
With 341m subscribers I imagie they have much bigger markets than the uk to worry about?
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Verizon is involved with IndyCars, which is far more popular than F1 over the pond. Given Vodafone's involvement with McLaren in a sport of F1's poularity in this country, I expect they won't be best pleased.
 
How do other countries get their F1? Which country holds the highest viewing figures?

These are two good questions I feel.

Take Italy, Do they have to pay for F1? They must have a fair few viewers? They are Ferrari mad over there.
 
That has nothing to do with it^ (Dannyjo's post about Vodafone's business breakdown)

You are right, Vodafone didnt care when the american GP was dropped but why would they when they have such low viewing figures in relation to their population.

In the UK that would be very different.

If the UK made up a large proportion of the F1 viewing numbers and that then dropped to very low levels why would Vodafone bother sponsoring the teams?

The fact that they own 30% of the largest telecommunication company in the US is irrelevant.
 
GingerNinja1989 said:
Verizon is involved with IndyCars, which is far more popular than F1 over the pond. Given Vodafone's involvement with McLaren in a sport of F1's poularity in this country, I expect they won't be best pleased.
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Yeah fair point, but the way Whitmarsh has rolled over when his belly was tickled it would seem to me Vodafone haven't exactly been bending his ear.

For such a huge company you would think they would be straight on the phone, no pun intended demanding either whitmarsh states his case or they would demand a reduction in the fee they give them?

If I was Vodafone and the uk market was such a huge deal I would be asking for a contract renegotiation, wouldn't you?
 
Jono8 said:
If the UK made up a large proportion of the F1 viewing numbers and that then dropped to very low levels why would Vodafone bother sponsoring the teams?
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Again fair points but for the quote above surely to increase brand awareness in countries where they aren't so dominant. That was the whole push to asia and arab countries. I dont imagine there is that much value to Vodafone in advertising in the uk market.

You can't open a paper without pages of vodafone deals :D
 
dannyjo22 said:
Again fair points but for the quote above surely to increase brand awareness in countries where they aren't so dominant. That was the whole push to asia and arab countries. I dont imagine there is that much value to Vodafone in advertising in the uk market.

You can't open a paper without pages of vodafone deals :D
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Are they even called Vodafone all round the world?
 
dannyjo22 said:
Well lets see if they do. I'm geniunely interested to see if Marlboro, Vodafone, Red Bull, AT&T, Petronas actually give a ****.

I hope you are right and they put serious pressure on.
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anyone who sponsors a primarily english team and any sponsors that are really only here for the uk market will care.

more recently weve seen a few sponsors only doing it for a race in their target country, worrying sign for f1 teams if it starts to become the norm :p
 
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