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Discussion in 'La Cuisine' started by bluemartian, Sep 11, 2019.

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  1. edscdk

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    You sound like you need help from somewhere other than a computer forum..

    Configure your trust so someone can pm you
     
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  2. Merlin5

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    Lol come on, wtf kind of smartass reply is this? The OP said he's cooking properly for the first time. He's asking for advice in the correct forum and you take the **** out of him. It's always the ones that never post in La Cuisine (your previous posts show that) that come along once in a while just to troll.

    Yeah, I just wrap in cling film and put that in the container the chicken or beef came in as in my photo below. I suppose it could tear but I've not had any problems so far. A freezer ziplock bag would be better.

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  3. bluemartian

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    So far the hellofresh recipes have been disgusting. The Prawn Thai Curry is utter vile. The chicken chow mein was not nice but not disgusting. It contains 22g of sugar per serving I ate 2/3rd's which is around 33g of sugar. That's as much sugar as in a can of cola. It's their disgusting premade paste's and sauce's. My god. Utter vile. Can't believe white people can palate this garbage. I LOVE AUTHENTIC Mexican and Indian food. Keyword being authentic. Best to go to the countries and stay with families and eat street food to get authentic. Which I have done.

    Hellofresh is like some kid decided to make 'recipes'. They are stupid simple, all the recipes call for the same veggies and they are either courgette, carrot or a red pepper. Not even joking. Oh and red chilli which has no heat to it at all and tastes like red pepper.
    I almost puked with the Thai Curry one. I just finished cleaning up having made it and I am starving because it was too vile for me to put in my mouth.

    Any recommendations for AUTHENTIC Mexican recipes? Not the garbage on sites like bbc and pretty much every site that comes up with a google search.
     
  4. bluemartian

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    Yeah, I just wrap in cling film and put that in the container the chicken or beef came in as in my photo below. I suppose it could tear but I've not had any problems so far. A freezer ziplock bag would be better.

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    I thought you meant like you bu those £25 5kg chicken breasts or however many kg's it is from the butchers and you take them out and cling film them then store them all in the freezer in just their cling film stacked ontop of each other or a similar fashion. People that bulk buy in bulk like that; only I have no idea how they freeze the chicken breasts as cling film sounds dangerous.

    Any ideas?

    Also why do you wrap your chicken in cling film then put it in the fridge?
     
  5. tom_e

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    Holy racial stereotyping Batman!

    For freezing things I put them in sandwich bags, sod messing about trying to clingfilm raw meat.
     
  6. Scam

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    lol what is going on with these forums lately. Seems to totally accept racism, anti-semitic abuse et al now. I mean, worse than usual :o

    Dunno what he expected from HF, it's clearly for people who can't cook. For authentic Mexican I'd recommend the Thomasina Miers books because that's what I've used. But then again, she's a white English girl so he probably won't like it...

    I've done the Serious Eats pork carnitas a few times. They're awesome.
     
  7. jpaul

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    this spam tastes much worse than that

    ... I had underestimated the sell by date of this thread - maybe its been irradiated, or chlorinated.
     
  8. bluemartian

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    It is not racist. White people have VERY bland palates compared to ethnics. For example. Indian restaurants have all made their dishes to cater to white peoples tastes. Aka less heat and specific spices.

    Think of typical traditional British cooking. Going back through history very clearly shows white peoples foods vs ethnics.

    I google'd this Thomasina and she co founded wahaca. Wahaca's food is NOT authentic Mexican and is pretty crap in taste and quality.

    A quick extract from one of her books visible for free on Amazon using 'look inside':

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mexican-Food-Simple-Thomasina-Miers-ebook/dp/B005ZTBZ50

    She writes 'When I first travelled to Mexico, I was under the impression that chillies were either red or green and either hot or damned hot. Instead I found dozens of different varieties .... etc etc''.
    Just goes to show that white people DO have bland palate bases. She wasn't even aware of the huge variety of chillies that exist let alone using them in her cooking.
    Mexicans are BORN into it. They don't need to learn it as white people do in their 20's+.
    Same applies for Indians etc etc.
    This of course only applies to functional healthy families where the parents teach and allow their children to cook and can cook well themselves.

    My parents have a family friend whose cooking is INCREDIBLE. My stepmothers and my aunties cooking is **** in comparison.
    The family friend who is their age, has made the same dishes my stepmother has made and they were AMAZING. She has also made dishes that I have always hated, but I tried them because her food tastes so damn good, and oh my. I loved those same dishes I had hated my entire life.

    So the skill, knowledge, experience and what region and specific area and even street an ethnic family come from, plays a huge role in the taste of their food.

    White people DO have a more bland palate vs ethnics. No question about it. Go to any typical British white persons house vs an Indian. Indians have literal cabinets with shelves full of various spices, herbs etc. Over 50 spices in one household easily stocked in large quantities due to the amount they use daily.
     
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  9. Scam

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    You're confusing race with geography. I won't deny "traditional" British cooking uses less spices but that doesn't mean all white people have boring palates. There you've jumped to making an assumption about race. What you actually mean to say is more western or European people.

    Tell that to the two Mexican girls I work with. They would never say it's as good as Mexico city tacos but they find it pretty authentic in places and more to the point - tasty. Wahaca's food is great, I trust my tastebuds well enough to know it. Don't give us that rubbish that because Thomasina is a white European she can't make an authentic Mexican recipe. That's as bad as the people having a go at Gordon Ramsey's new Asian restaurant. Guess what, the world's a small place now and with the right research and travel, it's very easy for a decent chef to go out and find the "authentic" recipes. If you don't like it because a white person has made it.. well flip that on its head and tell me how it sounds back to you...

    I'd never deny that.

    I have a huge amount of spices in my house because I enjoy cooking. My girlfriend used to live with a Punjabi girl who couldn't cook for toffee. It was embarrassing. She had no spices and no idea. Again, you're making broad assumptions about race which create quite negative connotations. Talk about 'British people' or 'Western people' all you like...

    I'm guessing a couple of British guys winning 'best restaurant in the UK' for their northern Thai restaurant would send you absolutely crazy? https://www.standard.co.uk/go/londo...t-at-national-restaurant-awards-a3860331.html
     
  10. bluemartian

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    Awards mean nothing. Go to Thailand and a street vendor might be able to outdo them. You cannot change the fact that the food culture you are born into is the one you are a master of IF you learn to cook.

    Don't know how to use quotes on this site so my replies are within the quote above for some reason.
     
  11. Scam

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    What's your point? Why not order online? Again, you seem stuck in this old world-view that white simpletons don't know their spices and can't cook anything apart from beige food :confused: Sorry bud, the world's changed. And stop using the term 'ethnic' like that, it sounds daft and childish. Northern Irish people could be considered 'ethnic', do they cook spicy food all the time?

    Yes.

    lol "low food standards". Really? You want to go down that road? And have I been to "other countries" ummmmm yes. Honestly this argument is going nowhere because I'm pretty sure you're under 14 with the way you are writing. And you're 'ethnic' ? Ethnic what? You can't be classed as an 'ethnic' (minority) in everyone country you've lived in. So please, do spill the beans. What's your background that makes you think you can talk down to all white people when it comes to spices? lol...

    Some recipes would be, some recipes wouldn't because she has adapted them to use British ingredients. E.g. British cheese instead of queso fresco. But she says that, she is afterall trying to create recipes that people can recreate at home in the UK. I'm not going to go round in circles on it, I get so annoyed at people debating what is 'authentic' and just because she's a white British person doesn't mean she hasn't done her due diligence. I think it's extremely unkind to dismiss someone who has been the biggest proponent of Mexican cuisine in the UK, it smacks of having a massive chip on your shoulder and honestly I'd half expect you to start waving the 'cultural appropriation' flag any minute now :rolleyes: And you say it's not because of her ethnicity yet you immediatelybring up the fact she's white again?...

    And plenty of street vendors would be utterly awful, too. I don't disagree with that. I disagree with you saying that someone from a different country can't cook another country's cuisine well enough. Marco Pierre White was the youngest chef to ever win 3 Michelin stars and he'd never even been to France.

    You hit the quote button. Or the multi quote button.
     
  12. BUDFORCE

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    I ate some burgers last night, purchased on Thursday, cooked yesterday evening. They smelled fine but there were patches of whitish mold around the corners.

    Did them in the BBQ and normally have burgers slightly pink, but given the above I cooked them through. Absolutely fine.

    During June when we had that really hot spell, I ate some burgers that had been left out overnight in the heat, after being cooked the evening before. They had been cooked, from frozen, and parts of the inside of the burger were still raw. The burgers were originally puchased out of the reduced section in the supermarket as they were going out of date.

    How many food safety rules have I just broken?

    Again, perfectly fine.

    These are just two examples of things like this I do all the time, and it's not through ignorance, I understand food hygiene.

    Yet I never seem to get ill?
     
  13. Scam

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    Glad to get the thread back on track!

    I probably wouldn't risk burgers left out overnight (when it's warm). They're going to be sitting in the danger zone (8c-63c) for 8-24hrs (24hrs assuming you left them in the evening and cooked them the next). That's a very real risk of getting ill, so I'm curious as to why you're being quite happy about it. Do that every day for a week and I'm sure you'd get ill at least once. Again, it's all about risk versus reward for me.
     
  14. randomshenans

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    I'm ethnic tbh.
     
  15. krooton

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    We do all having varying constitutions though, I've never had food poisoning, even when I have had the same food that has made others ill. The one time I thought I had, turns out my appendix had exploded, haha.
     
  16. BUDFORCE

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    Ouch, yea dont envy you on that.

    I do think you build up a tolerance and better immunity getting little doses of nasties here and there.

    I used to work in a sewage treatment plant and they said you'd build up a good immune system, that and working as a lifeguard in swimming pools as a kid, the swimming pools being the dirtier of the two believe me.
     
  17. krooton

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    Totally, hence people having issues with Mexican/Indian food when the locals are fine, they just have an adapated tolerance.
     
  18. daz

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    Only time I've ever realised I had food poisoning was after a caesar salad at a hotel in vegas. Had a terrible 24 hours after that... can only think it was poor hygiene in the salad prep, perhaps someone not washing their hands between handling something raw and the ingredients that went in to it.

    Generally speaking I'll adhere to use by dates on chicken, fish and mince. Something like a vacuum packed steak I'll give a bit of leeway to.
     
  19. daz

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    Just to add, Wahaca is much better than what came before it - i.e. the **** poor tex-mex that was typical of 'mexican' food in this country.
     
  20. daz

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    I get my dried chillies from here:-
    https://www.southdevonchillifarm.co.uk/online-shop/whole-dried-and-smoked-chillies/

    You'll probably also want to try to get some real corn flour tortillas, but I haven't found a good source for those in the UK. You can try to make your own tortillas but I've not attempted that yet.
     
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