Been ID for buying Alcohol at 26

no1 requires that you give a dam, only that you do your job

but anyway get a provisional driving licence , dont even have to learn how to drive just use it for ID


malfunkshun said:
Same, though I am 35 and look at least that old. I left the £300 worth of shopping and walked out :mad:
I for one never carry ID, even when driving, it isn't legally required and it's a security issue.
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carrying ID is only a security issue if your doing something illegal...

and if you dont have ID and police stop you they might take you down to the station to "confirm your indentity"
 
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I get ID'd almost all the time and I'm 27 -but meh

A few years back before photo driving licenses I had to carry my passport around everywhere on the chance we went to a pub or something.

This is what my non-driving GF has to do; she has lost her passport twice on nights out :o
 
dmpoole said:
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE MISSING THE POINT?

It isn't Morrisons and it isn't the retard.
They have to do this because of the 3 strikes and out rule and Morrisons is the only superstore that hasn't had any of it's stores have their alcohol license taken away.
The 80 year old could have been a stooge and reported back that he hadn't been asked for ID.
Why is it that 50 year olds don't mind being asked but 25 year olds get upset by it?
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YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT.

SHOW ME where the law states that you HAVE to ID everyone? It doesn't. The law states that you may NOT sell Alcohol to under18s, not that you have to know the age of everyone who buys Alcohol.
 
rypt said:
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT.

SHOW ME where the law states that you HAVE to ID everyone? It doesn't. The law states that you may NOT sell Alcohol to under18s, not that you have to know the age of everyone who buys Alcohol.
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No he isn't, you are.

How do you tell if somebody is over the age of 18 without seeing ID? You can't and and standing up in a court of law and saying ''He said he was 18 your Honour" or "Well he looked like he was over 18" is not a valid defense.

If you have an issue with it take it to your local MP instead of giving the sales assistant grief, it's not their fault.
 
rypt said:
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT.

SHOW ME where the law states that you HAVE to ID everyone? It doesn't. The law states that you may NOT sell Alcohol to under18s, not that you have to know the age of everyone who buys Alcohol.
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Good god. You haven't got a clue have you?
 
Often get asked if I go into a shop that I don't normally go in but with the shops i locally visit never get Id'ed. Although sometimes the person behind the counter will stare at me for a while and then ask and laugh, and say something like you knew I was going to ask you didn't you :P It does get annoying sometimes though.
 
Dano said:
No he isn't, you are.

How do you tell if somebody is over the age of 18 without seeing ID? You can't and and standing up in a court of law and saying ''He said he was 18 your Honour" or "Well he looked like he was over 18" is not a valid defense.

If you have an issue with it take it to your local MP instead of giving the sales assistant grief, it's not their fault.
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Memphis said:
Good god. You haven't got a clue have you?
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The shops choose to follow the law and cover their backsides by IDing almost everyone. There is a difference in how the shops choose to implement something and what the law actually states.

As I said, quote to me the exact phrase in the Licensing Act of 2003 that says you must ID everyone ...

Because last I checked the act stated words to the effect that you may not sell alcohol to a person aged under 18 and that there was a fine and possible loss of license if you did.
How you choose to enforce that is up to you; but there are better ways than asking 60 year olds for ID.
 
I just do not get why these posts pop up at least once a month, and it's the same old argument.

I don't see what the shopper's problem is, it's the at the CASHIERS DISCRECTION to ask for ID. I've ID'd people that are 25 and 27, they just had a chuckle and said not to worry about it, just a shame everyone doesn't react the same.

As a personal licence holder, I'd be absolutely furious if one of my staff failed to ID an underage customer as part of a test purchase. One did fail an internal test and recieved a final warning, but I was working in Plymouth that day. Even though he was a friend, he got an earful :p. I can get fined £5,000 for someone else's mistake, so if you were me, wouldn't you be pushing your staff to be extra vigilant?
 
el_dazza said:
As a personal licence holder, I'd be absolutely furious if one of my staff failed to ID an underage customer as part of a test purchase. I can get fined £5,000 for someone else's mistake, so if you were me, wouldn't you be pushing your staff to be extra vigilant?
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And if you are the customer, do you want to have to carry ID with you every time you might go to a pub, or a shop?
Right now there is no legal obligation for a person to carry a form of ID with them; and there is no legal obligation to produce ID to buy alcohol.
 
rypt said:
And if you are the customer, do you want to have to carry ID with you every time you might go to a pub, or a shop?
Right now there is no legal obligation for a person to carry a form of ID with them; and there is no legal obligation to produce ID to buy alcohol.
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There's also no legal obligation for the shop to sell you alcohol. They can refuse for any reason, including the fact that you aren't carrying ID, regardless of how obvious it is that you are over 18.

As a customer I already do carry ID with me every time I might go to a pub, or a shop. It's not much hassle, and they are only interested in it for age verification anyway, the government isn't tracking my every move so I don't have a problem with it.
 
Jotun said:
There's also no legal obligation for the shop to sell you alcohol. They can refuse for any reason, including the fact that you aren't carrying ID, regardless of how obvious it is that you are over 18.
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Which is fine, but then they'll be putting back all the items in the trolley at the time as I'd just walk out ; after first complaining to the manager (why at the checkout preventing that particular checkout from being used).

BTW, refusing to sell your customer a legal product is no way to retain the said customer or to do business.

In all honesty if person looks to be young and is wearing a tracksuit, ID them, if they do not look like they are 10 years old and are dressed properly don't ID them.
 
I personally dont see why people get offended when asked for ID :confused:

It only takes a few seconds to show some and then you're on your way. It's not like you have to fill in loads of forms and have your photo taken each time.

EDIT: Oh and rypt you sound like a nutjob. I'd be laughing at the person in front of me if they threw a paddy over it and wanted all the shopping put back. As would most other people in the shop I reckon. You must have a stressful or non-fulfilling life if something that small winds you up so much.
 
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(4) Where a person is charged with an offence under this section by reason of his own conduct it is a defence that—

(a) he believed that the individual was aged 18 or over, and

(b) either—

(i) he had taken all reasonable steps to establish the individual’s age, or

(ii) nobody could reasonably have suspected from the individual’s appearance that he was aged under 18.



(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), a person is treated as having taken all reasonable steps to establish an individual’s age if—

(a) he asked the individual for evidence of his age, and

(b) the evidence would have convinced a reasonable person.
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so if they look older than 18, therefore you "believe" it and that is a defence?

whats with all the 25 nonsense tbh?
 
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rypt said:
And if you are the customer, do you want to have to carry ID with you every time you might go to a pub, or a shop?
Right now there is no legal obligation for a person to carry a form of ID with them; and there is no legal obligation to produce ID to buy alcohol.
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If you pay for something you take a wallet right? If you can remember that why can't you remember ID. Better yet, why not put your ID in your wallet like a normal person?
 
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